User talk:DrogoBoffin/Archive

Images

The images on your userpage have been uploaded under the wrong name, so therefore tagged for deletion. Any images you upload for your userspace must be under the name "User DrogoBoffin _______.jpg". You can see the full policy as to image naming at GWW:IMAGE. Calor - talk 00:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Please re-upload them under a more appropriate name as soon as possible. -- ab.er.rant 01:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

i herd u liek wikis. -Auron 07:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Archiving

Please note that you may not remove comments from your talk page without archiving. See GWW:USER for more information. - HeWhoIsPale 17:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, please note that you must leavea a "visible" link to the archive in your talk page. 1px is not really visible". I have fixed the link for now, but it appears you have not created an archive yet, so i have to leave the text here for now.--Fighterdoken 22:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Love

No one has it for you :) --Lou-Saydus 22:28, 27 February 2008 (UT)

Election Discussion

Decided to bring this here since it really is not relevant to the discussion. As I said over and over my personal opinion about Auron does not sway my vote in any way, I do not see him fit for the position as of current. That is not because of my opinon of him, but because his recent (and past) actions have made me come to that point. As I said if he could be less rude to users then I would support him. If you think my vote should be counted out because of my personal opinion towards him, then the one that were added by his buddys, friends, etc. should also not be counted by the way yu are putting it. Anywho, hows it goin? --Shadowphoenix 00:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

im cool just got through vanqushing Varajar Fells. I think that he can honestly do the job and do it properly. He has an attitude problem yes, but he doesnt allways have one. He has a lot of knowledge of wiki and the game. Once you get past the hard and smelly outer layers hes a good guy. During the pre-order weekend of gwen, I was having money problems and he bought the pre-order for me. He hasnt let me pay him back yet.--DrogoBoffin 03:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

prty shur aurons a meanie, dont vote for him -Auron 09:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I wont. I wasnt in time to vote and I didnt have enough contribes either. Drogo Boffin 09:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi there

Hi, may I suggest that you install Poke's (one of our admins on this wiki) Guild Wars Wiki Tools for quick and easy editing? Simply go to User:Poke/GuildWarsWikiTools and follow the on screen instructions. Happy Editing! --Shadowphoenix 17:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Put this, {{subst:User:Poke/GuildWarsWikiTools/install.js}} ,in your monobook.js; that other one is for admins :P --Shadowphoenix 17:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, now are u using Firefox or IE? --Shadowphoenix 17:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I was working on it. I wasnt sure if I even wanted it. I do like to type afterall. I do all of my html coding in notepad. I aslo was workin on a voter page that only used one page and didnt have the seperate pages and would auto tally the votes and give you the final number. but i had to go to sleep i had been up 46 hours straight. Drogo Boffin 17:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) lmao Shadow this fix made me laugh, sounds like you were asking which he's taking to court. Also you don't need any of the text above /**** Guild Wars Wiki Tools as that only applies to Sysops. --Kakarot 17:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

FireFox=Ftl. Chances are im not going to use any of it. Drogo Boffin 17:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Press Cntrl Shift R and then the tools should work --Shadowphoenix 17:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Why not just use Ctrl+F5 Drogo Boffin 17:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Ctrl+Shift+R Shadow? --Kakarot 17:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

She means Refresh Drogo Boffin 17:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Waht Kakarot said, and u have firefox so you have to do Ctrl+Shift+R --Shadowphoenix 17:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

No I dont have Fire Fox. FF=FTL Drogo Boffin 17:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Hero Armor

Did you bother to read any of the commentary that occurred when Jill removed the hero armor art to begin with before you started reverting her reverts?-- Wynthyst 17:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes I did I also commented on them. Hero armor already has a page and does not belong on the player character armor. Drogo Boffin 17:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

And you just decided that, regardless that there are other people in the discussion?-- Wynthyst 17:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't decide anything more than the person who decided to put it where it doesn't belong in the first place. Drogo Boffin 17:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

But you are "spamming" RC with a change that might be reverted again since discussion is ongoing. It's just common courtesy to wait a bit and see if we can agree on something first :) - anja 17:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Why is there even a discussion. There is already a page for Hero Armor. So just leave it alone. Hero armor clutters up the Player Character armor page. And does not belong. Not even remotely. Drogo Boffin 17:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

That is simply your opinion. I personally like having the hero armor there.-- Wynthyst 17:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

The hero armor page is there for a reason. At the minimun a link to hero armor should be put on the player character pages. Drogo Boffin 17:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Page you were looking for

Here is the template you were looking for.(edit) I made a slight change on your talk page so talk will clear the TOC.-- Wynthyst 12:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding User talk:86.0.80.150 and Vandal reports

Hi there. Vandalism cases are best reported at the Admin Noticeboard instead of posting on the IP talk page if they are of serious quality. If its a one time vandal, your best bet is to undo the edit he did and watch to see if he does any more. Hope this helps. :) -- Wandering Traveler 04:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I found it right after I did that. Kinda tired and not thinking right. Drogo Boffin 04:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Conversation With PT Guild Leader

I had a conversation with the guild leader of PT about his guild tag. He paid somebody to make the guild for him with the intent of the tag being a face and middle finger. Here is a screen

No offense...

But I wouldn't expect someone from the ZoS.Net to understand. -Lena 01:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

edit: first in after archive -Lena 01:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Me being in ZoS has nothing to do with my opinions. Drogo Boffin 01:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, it has everything to do with it. Never have I met a [ZoS] who was not corrupted/protected from EULA. I remember once in an AB a guy called my gf a "chink" cause she is Cantonese and threw around some rather vulgar words and ZoS.Net never did anything about it when we reported it. I believe I have the screens somewhere-- I'd have to filter through 1000s of screens, though. <_< -Lena 01:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

edit: let's not even get on Wasabi's case or Teal's... Not to mention Teal is currently trying to sell his account, and, that is probally once of the biggets EULA breaches you can do; he has still yet to be banned. :\ oh! and that time wasabi got suspened for RMT quite a while back and gaile instantly lifted the suspension for him through a "personal favor" (it was during one of the double fame events, i believe). -Lena 01:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

You have met one now. I have never done anything remotely against the EULA. Ever. I respect other people and their opinions and I ask for the same in return. Drogo Boffin 01:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, I will grant you that since I do not know you and cannot pass judgement so quickly. BUT, my opinion still stands for ZoS eitherway because of the numerous/countless events that they have caused displeasure to me and my pass-time gaming. -Lena 01:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Judging people based on a stereotype is such a nasty thing. Like I said you are allowed your opinion and I will not hold anything against you simply because you dont like ZoS. Drogo Boffin 02:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Have any proof to back up either of these accusations against Wasabi and me? And seriously Lena.. WTF have I ever done to you? (TealDawn 02:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC))

@ Drogo - Yes, it is, I agree. BUT, it's off of numerous things that have happened that I base my accusation's on about ZoS.

@ Teal - I have plenty of proof. My information comes from a HIGHLY respectable source. What have you done to me? Think about it-- you will find your answer. People talk, and, they end up telling others things you did not want them to tell anyone (the term "talking about them behind their back" would be appropriate). -Lena 02:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Lena, you have "plenty" of proof from "HIGHLY respectable " sources, care to share? and I have no clue what you are talking about I have never dissed you or said anything about you to anyone, until just now. I know people that dislike you but I never held that against you, I thought you felt the same way about me. I'm dissapointed that everything people say about you being a jerk is true. (TealDawn 02:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC))

Teal, please... don't lie to me, man. Just some SMALL things as proof, well, I saw some screen shots on a particular website that you claimed was yours when it truely wasn't. Example? Well, on the website where you are attempting to sell your account, you included pictures to make you look "richer". The pictures include: one screen of a inventory full maxed out with stacks of ectos w/ a Kanaxai in your inventory at the very bottom right. Well, I KNOW this picture was NOT yours, it was a buddies of mines who made it via photoshop and you took it from him, cropped him out, and claimed it to be yours. Another picture is of 5 chaos gloves in your inventory you claimed to be yours when they were not, they were your guildies who loaned them to you so you could take a screen shot of it.

Please do not try and lie to me, Teal... I do not like liars.. It's truely a bad thing to lie. :\ -Lena

You saw some screens on a particular website... lol... that's not vague or anything, and it's curious you would be on these "particular" websites. And just fyi, you're wrong about both of those pictures, we already had a discussion about that particular screen and I didn't cover anything up. The Chaos gloves and the other screens on that site (gwchars which i think you speak of) are mine and had you even looked at the entire site you would realize that those gloves are all mine. (TealDawn 03:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC))

and BTW can you tell me what I said behind your back?

i was on the site because the person i am reffering to told me about it and gave me the link to YOUR particular thread/post. THAT is how i know about it. i already screen shotted the entired thread/post about your account selling if you would like them. :) Lena 03:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'd like them. And btw I had the be the bearer of bad news.. but in case you didn't already know.. Elite doesn't like you QQ (TealDawn 03:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC))

You both have talk pages please take anything you have against each other there. Thank You Drogo Boffin 03:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Haha, I was thinking the exact thing. Sorry. I'm off your discussion page now. Feel free to message me on my talk page to further discuse anything about said-accusations. ^^ -Lena 03:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.

For the revert on the vandal Oni did. :) -Lena™ talk 02:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Epic Template

	DrogoBoffin of Doooooom Doom Dmg: 999-999 (Requires 1337 Sauce) Wiki Mastery +1337 (100% chance while editing) Decreases amount of Trolls by 66% (Stacking) Cost: Over NINE THOUSAAAAAND

So err.. what'd ya think? I just have to add a few borders.. -- Karasu (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

nice Drogo Boffin 18:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Your warnings to vandals

They probably find them hilarious. Can I recommend dropping the part about not finding it funny? Misery 09:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Will do. Now stop reading my mind. :P Drogo Boffin 09:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I do recommend keeping the "We do not appreciate it" part though, because I find that hilarious and use it often. Misery 09:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

O K so whats funny about that. Drogo Boffin 09:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It amuses me. Misery 10:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Glad I could help. Drogo Boffin 10:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Redirect

So Why Did You Redirect That Discussion Page To There? I Went Back To Sign (Since I Didn't Remember Doing So) And Am Curious Adi | 13:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I moved the page to your userspace. I wasnt sure if it belonged in the mainspace. If need be ill revert it. Drogo Boffin 14:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Well It Was A Talk Page, It Was My Idea For The Template With Image Since It Was Marked For Cleanup – Adi 14:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I failed to notice that it was a talk page and when i looked at the history you were the only poster so i thought you did the userbox and thought it should have been in your userspace. I have moved it back where it was. Mah Bad. Drogo Boffin 14:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

lol, The Fun Of Being Quick To The Trigger, Or Seeing Too Much Wiki? Well Now I'm Going To Change My Idea A Little Anyway Before Category Browsing, Categories Being Sub-Categories Of Themselves Bother me – Adi 14:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Its not that i was trigger happy, I havent slept since Tuesday. Drogo Boffin 14:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Testing

I suggest copying everything to your userspace before testing new stuff - it looks a bit nicer and doesn't break stuff . -- Karasu (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Im done testing and im way too lazy for that. Drogo Boffin 16:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Food for thought.

Since it's hard to tell if you are aware of what "paraphrasing" really means or not, here is a copy and paste from the official wiki (with important key lines bolded for your convenience).

Paraphrase (pronounced /ˈpærəfreɪz/) is restatement of a text or passage, using other words. The term "paraphrase" derives via the Latin "paraphrasis" from the Greek para phraseïn, meaning "additional manner of expression". The act of paraphrasing is also called "paraphrasis."

A paraphrase typically explains or clarifies the text that is being paraphrased. For example, "The signal was red" might be paraphrased as "The train was not allowed to proceed." When accompanying the original statement, a paraphrase is usually introduced with a verbum dicendi — a declaratory expression to signal the transition to the paraphrase. For example, in "The signal was red, that is, the train was not allowed to proceed," the "that is" signals the paraphrase that follows.

A paraphrase does not need to accompany a direct quotation, but when this is so, the paraphrase typically serves to put the source's statement into perspective or to clarify the context in which it appeared. A paraphrase is typically more detailed than a summary.

One feature of a paraphrase is that it preserves the essential meaning of the material being paraphrased. Thus, the (intentional or otherwise) reinterpretation of a source to infer a meaning that is not explicitly evident in the source itself qualifies as "original research," and not as paraphrase.

Unlike a metaphrase, which represents a "formal equivalent" of the source, a paraphrase represents a "dynamic equivalent" thereof. While a metaphrase attempts to translate a text literally, a paraphrase conveys the essential thought expressed in a source text — if necessary, at the expense of literality.

Have a great day, buddy. :) -Lena™ talk 17:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I am perfectly aware of what paraphrasing is. I was simply stating the Fact that what you were saying Wyn said was Fiction. You dont paraphrase you make up stuff and change what is said to make it look like they said something completely different. Drogo Boffin 17:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Lena, was there a reason you decided to copy that instead of just linking to User talk:Jon Lupen? --JonTheMon 17:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

DrogoBoffin of Doooooom

I have +24 armor against anti-trolling. ~Shard 03:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Heh.

First (and please take no offense, I needed the laugh), I had to laugh at all the changes you made on that talk page talking about "Show preview" :P. Second, you can link [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] like that <-. Freedom Bound 18:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I knew there was a way to link it that way. And no offense taken I was laughing at myself. Drogo Boffin 18:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Btw, I seriously didn't mean to cause any problems. I thought it was a friend on PvX who uses the same IP address and name. Pretty large coincidence, but I'm leaving her/him alone from now on and wasn't trying to harass anyone. Karate Jesus 22:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

The only problem I see is the ip is still posting as an ip and the user is posting as logged in. Drogo Boffin 22:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Copyright Infringement

You don't get 10k if you do it. ~Shard 22:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

LoL thats not a copyvio I took the picture myself from a pair of my cammies. Nice try. Drogo Boffin 22:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Miniature

sadly, that moved Greased Lightning back to gold status....which is bad. >< -- Wandering Traveler 02:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

wait it did. Back to fixing. Drogo Boffin 02:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I fixed it. -- Wyn 02:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

NO. At least I did the same thing you did. Drogo Boffin 02:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Wyn, you take the fun out of everything. -- Halogod35 02:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

No wiki god for you. :P -- Wandering Traveler 03:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah

Thanks for the Tyler Durden link, I suppose! Green Arrow 03:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll remove it if you want. I was just being a dork. Drogo Boffin 03:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh no it's fine lol. Green Arrow 03:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Dont Vandalise My Page Hypocrite

dont vandalise my User Page hypocrite,, and im not vandalising, the page never existed, so i created it. Please read again, You basically did the exact same thing i did, so in other words, re-read what you told me to read wiki-tard Chase Ranger 03:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't remove text from talk pages.-- BVt 03:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Remove The Vandalism On my User Page

If you dont mind, remove your vandalism from my User Page, im not reverting something that i didnt do. Chase Ranger 03:59, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

O.o

What is with all this recent vandalism. lol-- BVt 05:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Happens all the time. BtW I didnt remove any content from a talk page earlier. Drogo Boffin 05:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I know...Chase did.-- BVt 05:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

You told me on my talk page not to do so. Also this wasnt vandalism it was inappropriate content. Drogo Boffin 05:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I was replying to Chase. & my bad-- BVt 05:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Its ok Drogo Boffin 05:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

So where would I need to report it?-- BVt 05:09, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) On the same page just make a new section for it. Drogo Boffin 05:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

1RR rule applies to all users

Respect it, consider yourself warned. --Lemming 06:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

First!

Now we will start the fight here again! --Yo Jm 15:40, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll let you have it here. Drogo Boffin 16:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

userpage

you have no right to change my userpage. dont do it again DarkMugen 03:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I asked and I have every right to remove MY name from it. Drogo Boffin 03:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

doesnt that go under vandalism? DarkMugen 03:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

No it doesnt. I have the right to remove my name when it is used without permission. Drogo Boffin 03:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't you ask him to remove it first, on his talk page, After all, you did this exact same thing to me. :) Chase Ranger 03:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I did chase only the page was created while the user was logged out and on an ip the here if you would like to see. Drogo Boffin 03:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Then you should ask him on the account that you are on now, not an un-logged account, because that would be vandalism because he had nothing to do with that account, therefore not knowing it was you. Chase Ranger 03:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The person logged in to respond so they know it was me. Go sit in your corner you make no sense. Drogo Boffin 03:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

ive got not time for ur bs. ill change it DarkMugen 03:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank You Drogo Boffin 03:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I personally am not here to argue with you, im just stating what you did. Chase Ranger 03:20, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

done. you can check it if you like. DarkMugen 03:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

@Chase I told the ip that I didnt know who they were nor wanted them to use my name for anything, and asked that my name be removed. Then the person logged in and responded. So "Then you should ask him on the account that you are on now, not an un-logged account, because that would be vandalism because he had nothing to do with that account, therefore not knowing it was you." this statement is irrelevant. @DarkMugen what was the page for and why was I on it. Yes I am an asshole you dont need to say it. Ive been told I need to "assume good faith", which I have a problem doing. I realise that I should have asked this first. Drogo Boffin 03:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to bookmark ur page later. (which btw, you can do absolutely nothing about except delete ur page, which i can lolrevert to get what i need from it.) remember, once its on the internet, it will never come off. DarkMugen 03:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually I can have it deleted so you cant. Also you cant edit my userpage unless your fixing a link or something of that nature. Drogo Boffin 03:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

so do it. DarkMugen 03:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

oh noes...

you deleted the page. what will i do now? DarkMugen 03:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Look please just leave me alone. What on my plain userpage do you want? It is plain nothing usefull on it to anybody but me. Drogo Boffin 03:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

	Sephis Axe Slashing Dmg: 15-22 (Requires 9 Axe Mastery) Damage: +15% (While Health is above 50%) Armor Penetration + 20% (Chance 20%) Health +30

that. thats all i wanted lolz. btw, your deleting the wrong page. and i guess u think ur slick or something? DarkMugen 03:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

LoL I didnt do that. Well now you have it so. Drogo Boffin 03:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

first

first --Metroid 20:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I used your weapon description method thingy if ya'll dont mindHubbard 23:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Mind if i add u to my friends list Hubbard 19:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Nope. DrogoBoffin 22:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Following Directions

It's kind of ironic that you would point out the mistake Jope made in establishing his RfA when you also did not follow out the instructions laid out for responding to it. Don't feel too bad, though, only one person has followed the "Oppose" instructions correctly. (Oh, and Jon just fixed all of them. ) :P (Also, this is my attempt at humor, so please don't be offended.) Freedom Bound 18:55, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

If you have to add a disclaimer that a statement is meant to be humor, then it probably wasn't funny. Karate Jesus 18:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree. (edit) I see what your talking about now. I thought I had Oppose. but I guess I was wrong. DrogoBoffin 19:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I also did not follow the protocol, but I will not add a disclaimer this time (and no one's fixed it yet). Freedom Bound 19:42, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I was in the process of fixing it. DrogoBoffin 19:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Drogo → DrogoBoffin

Got an idea I see? Wonder where that could have came from...? Hmmm...—Rein 01:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Ive been thinking about doing it for a while. I may even switch and start useing one of the other names instead. At least everybody can tell that my socks are mine. DrogoBoffin 01:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol.—Rein 01:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Tagging for deletion

Thank you for doing that! I was going to follow it up seeing as there was really no point to them beign redirects, but you beat me to it. Thanks! Mystical Celestia 05:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

NP its what im here for. DrogoBoffin 05:23, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

date style

The dates on Iceblood's Warstaff, Hard Mode, and Dzabel Land Guardian are listed the other way. I don't know much about GWW's style & formatting rules, but are you sure the reverted one isn't correct? – Emmett 04:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Testing

Like the subject says 71.71.242.114 17:29, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Forgot to log in Woot Woot. Out of town. DrogoBoffin 17:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

66.190.88.253

Sorry for the random message, but does this appear to be Lena again? This seems very similar to the other 66.190 IP that was blocked the other day (I'm also tired, sick, and in need of coffee, so I could be way off, too, :P). Elysea 02:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

handles policy like Lena too. DrogoBoffin 02:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Similar grammar and lack of capitalisation too. Just too many coincidences for me. Elysea 02:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention "(as per formatting guidelines)" Same thing Lena used to say all the time. DrogoBoffin 02:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

No doubt in my mind, based solely on the response on the admin noticeboard. Freedom Bound 02:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ DrogoBoffin 02:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Nemis Troy Images

Images were for my guild leaders wiki page. From what I can see they are all in use. If i'm wrong let me know. Aiden The Aged 15th July 2009 12.05am (GMT)

O K I dont know why you send me this message. DrogoBoffin 23:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

You left a message on my talk page 2 days ago regarding uploading imaged for Nemis Troy, was just replying. Aiden The Aged 15th July 2009 12.00pm (GMT)

Ah I was really talking to Jope. He is taking the image naming way too seriously. DrogoBoffin 20:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Furst. Moo brains made me do it! 13:42, 17 July 2009

Animations List

You can go here to see which skills need to be done: Skill Animations Progress Report --Go4the1 04:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that.

I knew i made a mistake saved the edit on that image. I tried to revert, but you got there first. And what comes to the image naming, ok, i'm ready to accept this redirect account thing you guys have. I try not to make you mad about this in the future. - J.P.Talk 19:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

What?

Is it wrong that i admit that i did wrong there? - J.P.Talk 19:47, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I like a clean talk page. DrogoBoffin 19:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, and i started typing this before you placed it there. You can move this too while you're at it :D - J.P.Talk 19:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Kournan Pendant

Please explain how information as to why the Kournan Pendant article is listed in Category:Profitable trophies "doesnt belong here"? Other articles that are in the Profitable trophies category also lists similar information in their "Notes" section, such as Alpine Seed, Azure Remains, Bleached Shell, Bull Trainer Giant Jawbone, Charr Carving, Dredge Manifesto, just to name a few. --Silver Edge 05:52, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

That information belongs on the collectors page. If your going to farm edits PLease use the Minor Edit Button. DrogoBoffin 05:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

How does the information belong on the collectors page? Category:Profitable trophies lists trophy articles, not collector articles; also the trophy articles list both the trophy's value and the collector item values, while the collector articles only list the collector item values, so that information is more relevant in the trophy articles. I've shown you that multiple trophy articles already list that information, please show me one collector article that currently lists that information. --Silver Edge 06:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

frotzz

furtz --adrin 06:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

SY

Do we not document those sorts of things? I just checked in game, all descriptions, except the Luxon full, have the + . King Neoterikos 05:55, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

If that is true then yes it would be documented as an anomaly. The revert war was stupid. DrogoBoffin 06:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

re: your comment

i am not spamming pages i went to the people that have helped me before and the help page is no help. do not accuse me of something i am not doing i did not ask for your help or advice which was no help. this is happening to alot of people in the game besides me and it needs to be fixed. thank you very much for no help.--Jenn 02:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Posting the same thing on multiple talk pages is spamming. Im not sure of your reading level but if you look at Wyns page and concentrate real hard you might realise that I am trying to help you. The help section would get your question to more people. Drogo Boffin 03:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I am a college grad and my reading level is just fine I did not ask for your help or your rude comment. I did not spam anything i went to the 3 people that have helped me before so so sorry for asking them for help with something i believe to be important that is affecting alot of game players.--Jenn 03:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I would ask them for your money back because posting the same comment here, here, here and now here is indeed spamming. Drogo Boffin 03:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Now i can use the term you did on me: isn't that idiotic? what money back? and did i ask you for anything?No I did not. thank you--Jenn 03:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

You claim to be a college graduate yet you understand nothing. You have to pay to go to college. I am willing to help. Drogo Boffin 03:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Drogo, you're not really helping things. Yes, it may have been spammy, yes, it was asked in the wrong places. But, you could have been more polite and said something like "did you know that you could have post it here and there instead and gotten better answers?" and gotten a better response. Just saying. Oh, and questioning her reading level might be close to NPA. --JonTheMon 03:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry

As I said I clicked somethign by mistake not for vandalism but to try and find out what the person meant by you were close to being NPA the way you handled things and came at me. So sorry once again I did it by mistake as I didn't know, like I said I was not a comp major I'm a Political Science major. Maybe if, like people said, you had talked to me in a civil manner and not called names but explained to me, this discussion would never have happened and I would've known what to do and where to go. I would think you would agree with that but I'm not so sure.--Jenn 04:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Your copy and paste message for people vandalising

Would you mind if i use it? C4K3 Talk 21:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Its not mine. You can find it User:Shard/Dearvandal there. Drogo Boffin 21:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Ohh, well thanks for your quite response :D C4K3 Talk 21:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

This

is called feeding the trolls and is stooping to their level. It's the worst way to try and get vandals to stop vandalizing and trolling. Just FYI. --★KOKUOU★ 21:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I care because? Drogo Boffin 21:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandals

re User talk:69.112.250.55 - you might wish to read my comment on Jette's talk page. -- Brains12 \ talk 22:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: My Problem

Haven't been disconnected again since Monday. Haven't heard back from game support or tech support nor from Ncsoft support. Never heard back from Gaile or had a response from the help page. I know 28 people between my guild and alliances that reported the same problem don't know how many others did and none of them have heard back either. Did not login to the game for 24 hours after the last party I was in, in FA, which had 4 people including me get disconnected and they had lost faction points also and we all got dishonorable for losing our connections and being completely logged out. I transferred 70k of faction inbetween losing the 20k over the weekend and have close to 30k more faction to transfer but not going to until I hear back because I don't want to lose those too. Only 1 person out of the 28 I know reported the same problem recieved an automated response from support no one else including me have. None of us know what else to do. thank you for asking.--Jenn 14:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Xbox Shit

Who-ever oblivion and call of duty is a god--Hubbard The Dervish 21:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Congratulations Drogo =) -- Cyan 12:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy birthday. - Reanimated X 17:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulation, Angry Man ^^ - J.P.Talk 02:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Drogo Boffin 03:13, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

OMG

Sign before I go insane. -- Tha Reckoning File:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg 15:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

LOL I was doing them all at once and forgot them all. ~~~~ FTW. BtW the template is {{unsigned|username/ip}} Drogo Boffin 15:26, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Thx -- Tha Reckoning File:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg 15:26, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

NP Drogo Boffin 15:27, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

nu uh its {{unsigned ip|ip}} for ip :P — Balistic 15:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

You can use either. Drogo Boffin 15:46, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Have a good Thanksgiving. - Reanimated X 17:48, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Did you?

Read the part that I posted on page on inactive guilds? Just because forums aren't listed over on the side, doesn't mean they're not listed in the pages. -- riyen ♥ 21:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

'non-needed links'

Those links are actually necessary (they bold the title name, and if transcluded provide the link), and are pretty much standard on every page on the wiki. It would also be nice if you didn't call people retards. Thanks. -- pling 22:17, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok Retard. Drogo Boffin 22:18, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

archiving

As I've said before, an archive is for resolved/old/stale/finished discussions when they interfere with the rest of the page - you're not really supposed to archive a couple of minutes after a comment is made. You previously claimed you do it so you don't have to scroll, which isn't a valid reason anyway when it's probably less than one scroll-wheel to the bottom of the page, but the last topic was literally three or four lines and contained a valid warning about NPA. -- pling 22:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah Drogo Boffin 22:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Help

- Thanks for it. -- Lacky 00:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

What the? Why is my text in a <pre></pre> thing? -- Lacky 00:46, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

No spaces at the beginning of lines please. poke | talk 00:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

No Prob. Drogo Boffin 02:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry pokesy. -- Lacky 02:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Did you break something Lacky? Drogo Boffin 02:58, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I think I broke the wiki. -- Lacky 03:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Way to go. Drogo Boffin 03:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Cheers! -- Lacky 03:35, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I can't edit my own talk page?

Someone spams my talk page and I'm not allowed to remove it? Ramei Arashi 18:11, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

To answer this: no, you can't. If you want to get rid of it, archive it. To archive place this on your talkpage: {{/Archive|name}} -- Cyan 18:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I went through the same thing. Just look at my archive. Drogo Boffin 18:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism on Talk Pages

Is Vandalism on Talk Pages the only thing you are allowed to get rid of, or should you still archive that? -- Lacky 22:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I think you can get rid of it. Im not gonna archive it every time. Drogo Boffin 23:30, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright well then I undid what the ip posted on the noticeboard. -- Lacky 00:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Archive

Just archived your page, seemed like you were having some troubles. Also, are you in-game at the moment? Add me, Chris Malone. -- Lacky 01:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Im not in game but Ill get on and add you. Drogo Boffin 01:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Cheers. -- Lacky 01:05, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Quick little bugger, aren't you?

[1] Beat me to it. You must have done it as I was copying down the ip. =P -- Lacky 01:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Yup I have that page watched. Sorry bout the afk in game had to go yell at kids and get a bowl of cereal. Drogo Boffin 01:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I have it watched as well but still...damn...heh no worries. I'm AFK in game as well. On YouTube and Wiki. =P

Tell the kids you'll get a sysop on them? lol -- Lacky 01:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I actually told them I would take everything they are gonna get for christmas and buy video games instead. Drogo Boffin 01:57, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

LOL! Nice. You should do it, and get me some such as Aion. ^_^ -- Lacky 02:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Na Im dont with games from NCSoft. GW has ruined me. Drogo Boffin 02:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Ya Aion is good but it has the exact same network lag issues > : (. --Dominator Matrix 02:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

What did you honestly expect? Drogo Boffin 02:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Never played it but I REALLY want too. Hopefully going to buy the game tomorrow maybe. -- Lacky 02:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Are you in game Lacky? Drogo Boffin 02:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I sure am. Message me DJ Lacky. -- Lacky 02:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi

I have little problem with folder tabs. I`d like to use them on my user page, but even after reading this: User:Mtew/Folder Tabs I still don`t know how to use all of these parameters and what exactly I should write in places: FULLPAGENAME, and that page places. Yeah I understand that after | there`s text which will be displayed :) I want to have first tab to my user page and second to User: Yennefer Maderius/Yen M page.

Could you help me or explain it somehow? As I said somewhere else Im a bit new in this.

Thanks for help in advance. :) --Yennefer Maderius 12:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)Yennefer Maderius

Don't write anything in the FULLPAGENAME, in the second part, where you have Yennefer Maderius, put User:Yennefer Maderies/Character Page (you can name "Character Page" whatever you want, keep the rest). When you save the page, you'll see a red link, just click on that to edit your first character page. Subsequent pages can be created the same way, just keep the part before the slash the same. -- FreedomBound 13:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

User talk:69.182.192.195

A dynamic IP address is, in this regard, the same as a proxy. Checkuser tracks IP, so of course it does matter. elix Omni 03:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I know what a dynamic ip is. I understand how all of this works. Computers are what I do. I am just giving 42 a hard time. Drogo Boffin 03:47, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah, oopsies. Carry on. :) elix Omni 03:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

NP. Drogo Boffin 03:50, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Wondering WTH

I am guessing, from the "following conversation" that the warning tag is put there intentionally, just not sure for what reason. 42 - talk 04:33, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

The Asshat warning? Yes it is there intentionally, the it is there as a reference to the irc conversation that follows. Drogo Boffin 03:17, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Removing an entire section from someone else's talkpage

Not cool. It's fine to archive NPA and mindless spam (in fact, it's fine to delete it altogether) but only by the owner of the page. Don't do it again. NuVII 16:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

WTH?

I would've AGF'd If Pling's section was also somehow deleted. As it was, I didn't understand how you managed to wipe a section you weren't editing. So don't wave the AGF flag, don't resort to NPA, lighten up and stop removing comments just because they annoy you. NuVII 16:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

"it was a mistake AGF asshole"

Even if you say "asshole" in good faith, you are still calling names on teh internets, which just makes you look silly. Koda Kumi 16:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

^ -- Lacky 22:47, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Have a happy and a merry!  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:03, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

:/

Drogo, go away. Your blind support of Wyn is bordering on zeal - wake up and smell the roses. She was out of line. She got blocked for it. It disgusts me that you are completley unable to tell the difference between blatant favoritism or dislike and impartial sysop actions. Wyn is the person who is willing to bend rules in favor of her friends - Pling is the one who would be as quick to ban a friend as he would an enemy (if not quicker!). Wyn was acting childish in that discussion, and after being asked to grow up, refused to do so and continued posting bullshit. I've blocked people for far less, and will continue to do so. Pling was fully justified in his actions and I am greatly disappointed that you are unable to see that, and further, are willing to start an RfR over said fully justified sysop actions.
This is a wiki, not a place to blindly support your friends and cause drama for your enemies. Unless you have a firm understanding of what is going on, I'd prefer you not involve yourself in discussions of that matter at all. The wiki does not gain anything through your zealous fanboi-ism. Pling will simply get a massively supported RfR and you will come out looking silly, which in this case you were, because you completely ignored logic and reason in your rush to defend your friend without thinking about the consequences. -Auron 00:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Auron, you don't know what happened, stop badgering people. -- riyen ♥ 00:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

It is not blind support of Wyn if you havent noticed I dont agree with her actions either. In my opinion the block was done improperly and long after the discussion had resolved itself. I feel that other actions could have and should have been taken. Not to mention Lacky was a major factor in that discussion and wasnt even warned. Please read my posts before you assume I am just some fanboi. You of all people should know me better than that. Drogo Boffin 00:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I was on the receiving end of it all Drogo...that is why. As I said, I can see why Pling did what he did, even though I did not want Wyn to get banned. Please, can we just stop this school-yard drama? -- Lacky 01:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Honestly lacky I can guarantee you I have been at the recieving end of her bouts of rage than you or anybody else on here ever. You are just as guilty for the discussion in question as Wyn. Drogo Boffin 01:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't doubt that, I am just saying, I don't see how I am just as guilty? I didn't rage at anyone. As for the RFA page, I don't see how you can say that I should have received the same punishment, I was not yelling or raging etc. Saying Pling didn't block me/warn me because he likes me is completely untrue in my opinion. As already stated, to my knowledge, he barely knows me, and the only communication we have ever had is when he has helped me out with some wiki actions. My asking a question is not disruption, but the yelling is. You said we both went at it in anger. I did not in any way, shape or form take it out in anger. -- Lacky 03:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Lacky this is the problem. Just let it go. Drogo Boffin 06:52, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

OK. -- Lacky 07:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Wyn's request for reconfirmation

By posting on requests for reconfirmation, you're triggering (eventually) the reconfirmation process for Wynthyst. The content of your comment seems to indicate that you don't think she should be reconfirmed. If that's the case, you should remove your comment from that page and move it to an appropriate talk page. —Tanaric 10:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually he'd want to strike his comment instead of just removing it outright. Vili 点 06:13, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

That also makes sense, but Ariyen had already moved her comment to talk instead of striking, so I suggested the same. I'll keep the striking in mind for next time. :) —Tanaric 06:57, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I did strike mine out as did Mini Me. If you feel that they should be removed then I am leaving that choice up to you. Drogo Boffin 14:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you can help me?

Proper channels? That would be....? Briar 03:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Try the Admin noticeboard. If you feel you have a legitimate reason take it there. Let them deal with the troll. Thats why we choose them to have the tools. Drogo Boffin 03:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Im not actually sure how to post there. im concerned im gonna screw something up. Briar 03:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Cant screw it up besides if you do somebody will fix it and it gets brought to the admins attention. Drogo Boffin 03:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Hope your right. Briar 03:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Im positive. Drogo Boffin 03:19, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I heard wikis are hard to grasp with half a brainstem. --Auron's Fanclub Leader 03:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Could you bye any chance email me a tutorial on putting in links? or point me to an already existing one? i honestly dont have the slightest clue where to look. Briar 03:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

To link on-wiki, use [[Article Name]]. To link offwiki, use [http://mywebsite.com]. —Tanaric 03:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

So it will automatically find the page i want as long as i spell it right? Briar 03:42, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

At the top of the admin noticeboard it tells you how to do what they want done there. If you are talking about links on other pagen then you just simply need to do this [[Armor]] will show as Armor for standard pages. [[User:DrogoBoffin|DrogoBoffin]] shows as DrogoBoffin for userpages. If you want to link to wikipedia then you simply [[w:Avatar|Avatar]]. and it will show as Avatar. If you want to use an external web address to create the link you [http://www.google.com Google] will show as Google. Say your not linking to google you just replace the word google with anything you want to say. Like the link is here. Drogo Boffin 03:49, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

More information can be found at Guild Wars Wiki:Formatting#General. elix Omni 03:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Tyvm! <3 Briar 03:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

sig

Better eh? –alistic 15:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah no more bleeding eyes. Drogo Boffin 15:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

User talk:74.215.145.113 -- "you removing it is vandalism"

Please assume good faith, even with anonymous users. —Tanaric 22:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk Page Comments

Actually, comments are allowed to be removed if they are purely vandalism etc., however I don't think this is the case in this situation, however I am just informing you. -- Lacky 21:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Dammit Lacky. Put that in a memo and title it "Shit I already know". Dont you think I would know that. The comment was not vandalism. And your just covering your ass for removing a comment so please keep this stupid bullshit that I already know off of my talk page. Drogo Boffin 21:30, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

*blinks* Alrighty then...Just a little FYI though, I did state that I didn't think it was vandalism, and also I did not remove any comment...what are you talking about? -- Lacky 21:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Your revert on User talk:Vili. Sorry it just aggrivates the hell out of me when ppl tell me shit I already know. It comes accross to me as your talking down to me. I apologize. Drogo Boffin 21:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh that, sorry, I should have been more clear. I was talking about the latest game update post thing. -- Lacky 21:41, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I know. Drogo Boffin 21:43, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

My image

I'm not sure if this is the right place or anything but I just thought I'd say thank you. As you can tell, I am new to the site and am a bit unsure of how the editing works on the site yet. Sorry about the picture issue, but thank you for fixing it. --Spigs 21:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome it wasnt an issue it was just a simple new user mistake. Everybody makes mistakes. Drogo Boffin 21:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, again, I appreciate it. Still getting a hang of the site's works. Trying not to be such a new user. :o) --Spigs 00:15, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

LoL I gotcha. Drogo Boffin 00:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Now they actually

That's not where I had put them, but that works, too. Probably don't need it in both places, though, so I'll change mine back. -- FreedomBound 17:20, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Dude

That was fun. :D Briar 02:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Got kinda boring. Drogo Boffin 02:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Image

K thanks i got it.--The Lone Ice Lion 02:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

NP need anymore help just let me know. Drogo Boffin 02:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Unnecessary

It is really unnecessary to be this harsh with people asking questions. If they are posting here, they are already frustrated, and that sort of answer simply makes it worse. -- Wyn talk 00:54, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

That was completely necessary. I gave the link and then had to go and find the direct link since they couldnt find it. BtW your the only one hurt by it. So get the sand out and get over it. Drogo Boffin 02:54, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

No, they were there, you did not read their question properly, or you are not familiar with how submitting a support ticket works. When you initially hit the submit button after filling out the support form, you are taken to a page listing FAQ links that "might" be related based on keywords in your question. You have to hit submit a second time to actually submit your question. Your language, however, "Since you arent smart enough to find...." is very close to, if not a violation of GWW:NPA, and that is what I find unnecessary in this situation. -- Wyn talk 03:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

LoL yeah I made a mistake and cannot read the fact that they cant submit a ticket properly. No here is what happened they didnt know and I answered the question properly, then had to go beyond that because the person has no common sense. That was not close to or in violation of NPA which you feel the need to link to like I dont know the policy. Now kindly go find asomebody else to play drama queen with. Drogo Boffin 03:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

If you can't answer questions on the Ask a question pages without insulting the people asking and violating NPA (yes, commenting on someone's intelligence is a violation of NPA), you really shouldn't be on them at all. I'm sure the pages will get by without you. - Tanetris 03:31, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Cool story bro. Drogo Boffin 04:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Didn't mum always say, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."? -- Lacky 06:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I thought that was Ariyen. Vili 点 06:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Seriously though DrogoBoffin, that kind of post isn't acceptable. Cool Story Bro'ing doesn't make you the problem go away. Avoid posts like that in the future and you should be fine. -Auron 07:04, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Tanaric on IRC

I was in class when it happened. I had made a comment on auron's page mocking the ridiculous discussion going on. When I came back I was informed that me and a few others had received 1+ month blocks as a result of a ragestorm Tanaric threw on IRC. So I don't have the logs or know what happened specifically. Ask KJ or Pling or Misles.--TahiriVeila 19:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

No it isnt important I was just wandering about his hissyfit. Thanks Drogo Boffin 19:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

NPA?

First of all, im pretty sure a personal attack is an attack on a person. I didn't even check who added the tag. It wasn't an attack. It was a blanket statement for someone who is uptight and needlessly applying deletion tags (which is considered rude and arrogant and just a little immature) to random pictures. Second, This has been gone over at least 4 or 5 times with chaos and everyone That knows him at all knows very well that it is nothing more than a joke. Neither he, nor the people participating in the joke are offended by the use of the word gay in that context. And even if they were, Its not an attack. That would be like me calling you an ex-armed serviceman. or calling auron Hawaiian. Its not an attack. Its a statement of fact. --BriarFlame Me 03:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I cannot believe you just called Auron a Hawaiian. He is gonna be soooooo pissed. Drogo Boffin 03:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Way to be on-topic there pal. --BriarFlame Me 03:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

LOL. Reguardless...Calling somebody Gay or a Tight Ass is a personal attack. Would you have used Tight Ass if you knew who added the deletion tag? Even as a joke it still looks like an attack. I havent seen any of the conversations where Chaos is ok being called gay. I am simply stating what it looks like to those who arent in on the joke. Drogo Boffin 04:01, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

No I wouldn't have. Because then it would have been a personal attack. And perhaps you should stop butting your nose in where it doesn't belong? Maybe, just maybe, Chaos is capable of reporting a personal attack when he feels, oh, i dunno, personally attacked? --BriarFlame Me 04:03, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I am not "stop butting your nose in where it doesn't belong". You definately need to be less abrasive. (I cant believe that I'm the one saying that) Drogo Boffin 04:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Or no. That's not how you keep law and order and keep the wiki civil. Drogo saw something that was out of line, he decided to step in. Consider yourself lucky that a sysop didn't first (read: possible block). King Neoterikos 04:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Briar, I'm giving you a 8/10 on this one. If you hadn't been so active the last few days, the trolling might have been less obvious. Karate Jesus 04:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I would say there doesn't have to be an explicit target for something to be a personal attack. As it was aimed at the tagger (a person) I would say NPA policy applies in this case. --JonTheMon 04:26, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Why are we doing this? This is so very letter-of-the-lawGUIDELINE - decisions like that don't really accomplish much, do they? We uphold rules because those rules have a benefit, not for the sake of upholding rules. This isn't a democracy. That being said, if upholding a rule does not benefit anyone, why should we uphold it?

That's just it: we shouldn't.

What's the point of the policy, what's it supposed to accomplish? I'd say it's mainly to prevent offense. Offending people is generally frowned upon, so I can see why we'd have such a policy.

Is anyone reasonably offended? I wouldn't say Chaos is offended at all, and if anyone else is offended, it's pretty unreasonable, considering.

So has the spirit of the policy been breached? I wouldn't say so. is for Raine, etc. 04:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

They're "doing this" because im briar and not you. They have a chance to enact a block on me. So they're going to take it. But i do appreciate what your trying to do Raine. <3 --BriarFlame Me 04:37, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I am not offended but that doesnt mean that everybody wont be. Drogo Boffin 04:38, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

It also has nothing to do with who you are Briar. Drogo Boffin 04:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Did you just use the word everybody in an argument about a policy called No PERSONAL attacks? --BriarFlame Me 04:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm offended, and I believe everyone involved should be banned for a month. elix Omni 04:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Raine: GWW:NPA is a policy, not a guideline. Briar: From GWW:NPA "Racial, sexual, homophobic, ageist, religious, political, or ethnic epithets directed against another contributor. Disagreement over what constitutes a religion, race, sexual preference, or ethnicity is not a legitimate excuse." Emphasis is mine for what I feel this falls under. Enjoy your time off. --Rainith 04:46, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

"GWW:NPA is a policy." — Rainith

"It has wide acceptance among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow." — GWW:POLICY

"should follow"

"should"

"guideline"

Yes, it's a policy; that makes it, by definition, a guideline. The wiki isn't based on a set of rules, it's based on what's been deemed sensible.

You're giving a guy a $1,000 fine (banning a guy) for dropping his ice cream (calling an openly gay friend gay). Sure, it's "littering" (an NPA vio), and sure, the law (policy) says you can fine (ban) for it.

Is that sensible? is for Raine, etc. 05:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

He's gay? elix Omni 05:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Chaos is very gay and, apparently, fabulous. is for Raine, etc. 06:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Well then he's the one who should be banned. elix Omni 06:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Explain. - Reanimated X 06:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, stop being dumb and wikilaywering. Thanks. – Emmett 15:52, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'm doing the exact opposite of wikilawyering. I'm saying that, in this case, the policy (and the enforcement of it) is pretty bullshit because it conflicts with common sense. Thanks for reading looking at what I wrote. ♥ is for Raine, etc. 16:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, you're actually wikilawyering. When you have to start quoting the policy and pointing out what individual words mean, you're way past the point where you started wikilawyering. I love you and all, but learn what you're talking about before talking. -Auron 16:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Notice that I didn't quote the policy in anything having to do with the point I'm trying to make (following rules when they're not helpful is pointless at best). Rainith's post (as it pertained to me) had very little to do with the my central issue, so, accordingly, my direct response to that had very little to do with the central issue.

I think it's also possible that I've defined wikilawyering incorrectly; I'd equate wikilawyering with justifying actions via the word (or absence thereof) of the policy. Things like exploiting "loopholes" that don't actually exist due to the way policy works here. Am I mistaken?

I contrast this from the above in that I'm not attempting to justify any actions based on what a policy does or doesn't say, but rather openly disagreeing with actions that were taken inside of the boundaries of the policy (doing the exact opposite, as aforementioned). If anything, I'd say "Briar: From GWW:NPA "Racial, sexual, homophobic, ageist, religious, political, or ethnic epithets directed against another contributor. Disagreement over what constitutes a religion, race, sexual preference, or ethnicity is not a legitimate excuse." Emphasis is mine for what I feel this falls under." — Rainith is as close to wikilawyering as one can get; can directly disagreeing with that philosophy still be considered wikilawyering? Again, this is based on what I think "wikilawyering" is, which may or may not be accurate.

Regardless of what it's called, I maintain: following policy (and banning for it, no less!) when it's not actually beneficial is a pretty bad judgment call. :\

Also, I love you, too. ♥ is for Raine, etc. 16:59, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I double-checked to be sure, and it looks like my interpretation of what wikilwayering is was pretty spot-on:

• "Abiding by the letter of a policy or guideline while violating its spirit or underlying principles"
• "Asserting that the technical interpretation of [w:Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines] should override the underlying principles they express"

I'm not sure how you define wikilawyering, but I'd like to know so that I may understand where the misunderstanding lies. Every disagreement I've had with you has been over a small issue like a personal preference or semantics issue; I think this is the latter. is for Raine, etc. 17:59, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Uh.. what? You're pulling lines directly from GWW:POLICY and focusing on specific words to bend the meaning to say that policy=guideline. It doesn't, and I'm fairly surprised you haven't started whipping out dictionary links to bend meaning any further. In addition, there was also this edit that is contentious, as the discussion above points out more than once, which makes your whole littering analogy pretty zzz. If this were a joke between friends or something like that, maybe it would have slid, but it isn't. We block for personal attacks, and have a policy (because there's a difference) that says pretty clearly not to make them. – Emmett 16:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd assumed the ban was given out based on the ordeal with Chaos, based on the boldicized words in Rainith's quote of the policy. In which case everything I've said regarding the ban reasons being invalid based on common sense still stands, since it was directly based on the assumption that that was the ban reason.

Then there's the alternative: if the ban was given out for calling you DrogoBoffin a tight-ass... Well, frankly, that would be pretty tight-assed. If calling someone "conservative" is a personal attack, then damn. Just damn. There are a LOT of bannings in order. is for Raine, etc. 17:17, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

You do realize that common sense is something that can be distorted based on skewed perspective right? Bias can change common sense to be something completely different than the "common" consensus to the point it doesn't make any sense. Distortion is is a fun game to play isn't it? :-) And now see? in your mind, I bet you think my perspective is distorted. --Lania Elderfire 17:36, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

He may not, though I sure as hell do.

To be quite honest, I'm siding with Raine on this one. Frankly, I don't think anyone read his post before answering. He's not wikilawyering, he is just asking everyone to stop wikilawyering. Thanks! NuVII 17:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Actually, I do.

Firstly, I'm not biased in this matter. In fact, I generally don't like Briar. And I generally DO like Chaos. I know neither Rainith nor DragoBoffin. I'd be arguing this in the exact opposite way that common sense would dictate, were I biased.

Secondly, I hardly think that "banning someone for breaching a policy in a way that does absolutely nothing reasonably harmful" can be considered sensible by any interpretation.

Finally, I haven't attempted to distort anything (I assume that you meant to imply this based on "Distortion is a fun game to play, isn't it?" ). I have said what I honestly believe here, as I hope everyone has.

Again, I do think your perspective is distorted. However, I believe it is distorted because it is based on many incorrect assumptions (as detailed), not due to any personal bias. is for Raine, etc. 17:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't think that you are buddy buddy with Briar, and Briar has nothing to do with your bias. Your bias comes from the spirit vs. letter of policy, and with policy = guideline. You're cherry picking parts of policy, guidelines, and various definitions to boost your argument, and muddying the issue. It's something done in politics all the time, and it is called lawyering, since that is exactly what lawyers do to confuse the jury. Basically your bias comes from that you don't want to lose a debate, or maybe that you enjoy being the brown coat. --Lania Elderfire 18:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict x2)

"Your bias comes from the spirit vs. letter of policy..."

Really? Trust me: policies are all written to reflect the spirit of said policies. The letter of the policy should always be second to the spirit of the policy. Yes, that is a bias. I sincerely hope that that is a bias that we would all have.

"...and with 'policy equals guideline.'"

A GWW:POLICY, like every policy, like every law, is a guidline (though not necessarily a guideline; I did not mean to imply this). It's not to be followed absolutely; again, the spirit of the law supersedes its letter.

"You're cherry picking parts of policy, guidelines, and various definitions to boost your argument, and muddying the issue."

Yes, and this is the part of the policy that I'm picking to advocate: its actual intention. Further, I'm in no way trying to muddy the issue; I've stated outright exactly what my issue is. Several times. I will repeat it here:

Abiding by the letter of the policy when there is no violation of the spirit of the policy is silly.

"It's something done in politics all the time, and it is called lawyering, since that is exactly what lawyers do to confuse the jury."

I'm not trying to confuse anyone. I've been very, very clear.

"Basically your bias comes from that you don't want to lose a debate..."

No, my bias comes from that the ban was issued in poor judgment. Again, I have said this several times.

"...or maybe that you enjoy being the brown coat."

I don't even know what a brown coat is; I'll look it up and get back to you. is for Raine, etc. 18:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Brown coat is a civil war reference and a reference for the underdog. The southern army were called brown coats because that's what they wore, and were considered the underdog. There were several references in pop culture made like in the canceled series "Firefly", the protagonists were considered browncoats, not because they wanted slavery, but they were opposed to the dominant tyrannical faction. (I wish they will bring firefly back, it was an awesome show). As far as who it was directed at? Probably me; and I didn't consider that there was still trolling going on here. I thought we were just having a civil conversation. But lets just end it here, since other people feel it's disruptive, and agree to disagree :-). --Lania Elderfire 18:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

In that case, no, that doesn't appeal to me at all. My goal is not to "win an argument". My goal is to get some of the (pardon) bullshit out of the way this and other situations are being handled on the wiki. I wish more people would agree with me, not because I just like people agreeing with me, but because I believe that I'm right in this case. When I am wrong, I hope people will disagree with me and show me why I am wrong so that I may not make the same mistakes in the future.

As far as numbers issues alone go, you should know that I have little regard for numbers. The majority can be very, very wrong. I don't even consider numbers, honestly. This isn't a democracy, and for a good reason.

If you have any other questions on the matter, feel free to bring them up on my talk page. is for Raine, etc. 18:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Stop feeding trolls, my goodness, the way you have been persistently feeding them over the past few days is just facepalm worthy. Pika Fan 18:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry. is for Raine, etc. 18:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

It's best to stop now, or at least head elsewhere as this isn't (really) related to the topic. --Dominator Matrix 18:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

What's "this"; who was that directed at? is for Raine, etc. 18:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

This as in off topic not users. --Dominator Matrix 18:28, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Should I bring this up with Rainith on his/her page, then, or should I leave it here? is for Raine, etc. 18:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Or just don't reply and let the ban stand. That's cool, too. is for Raine, etc. 06:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Its official this is the longest section on my talk page ever, EVER. Drogo Boffin 20:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

policy

Hey Drogo, could you take a back-step when it comes to enforcing policy? It's not uncommon for you to either unintentionally escalate a situation or play into the hands of trolls. -- pling 15:54, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Pling I am not a sysop so I cannot enforce policy. I can however bring it to your attention when policy is broken, and notify users of said policy/policies. Drogo Boffin 19:36, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

he's telling you not to notify users. -Auron 19:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

That would make sense if I did it with the intention of being an asshole. But I notify them then go away, an example of that would be the discussion above. Drogo Boffin 19:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Eh, you were pretty damn thorough with Briar's case. Thanks! NuVII 19:54, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I also said that if it was indeed a joke that I would retract the statement that it was a NPA and apologise. He still is far too abrasive and cannot complete a conversation without being on the verge of or outright breaking policy. My comment was based on the fact that it looks bad and the fact that not everybody is ok with being called "gay" or even the use of the word. To an outsider that "inside joke" looks horrible. Drogo Boffin 21:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Lol

"Halo also has this function that when you put it in your Xbox or Pc and play it, its the worste fps ever made." <--- QFT Morphy 16:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

QFT? Drogo Boffin 19:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

"Quoted For Truth". It means he agrees with you. -- FreedomBound 00:06, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah...Thanks Freedom. Never heard that before. Drogo Boffin 03:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

O.o

Your page is soo clean... i kinda feel bad for putting text on it.. But i was just seein how you where doin. and stuff. and to say hi.... so HAI... alright i guess i'll get off your very clean white talk page.. KeLLi 18:14, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Unsigned comments

I have noticed in some of the page histories I am looking at that you are tagging unsigned comments. Not sure if you have seen it yet, but there is a template that lets you add date and time when tagging them. It is Template:Unsigned2. 69.182.165.163 05:27, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Untitled

What? Why? I don't get it. So anyone can just come and spam stuff up and I can't delete it? Yeah that makes sense.. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Kryzz (talk).

Thats correct you cant just delete it. You must archive it according to policy. Drogo Boffin 20:27, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Userpage Fix

As far as I can tell, transcluded boxes don't seem to like being in columns, my "fix" is ugly. (I suspect it may have been to do with you setting the table widths on every sub page and including titles) File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 00:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to change whatever you need to change. I dont remember the reason behind the widths but I'm sure it had something to do with how my page was before. I wouldnt even mind it having borders, whatever it takes to get it in columns. I tried for a while before and gave up. I'm finally just breaking down and asking for help. Something I usually dont do. Thanks for trying. Drogo Boffin 00:47, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Withdrawn

This wiki has seen a lot of assholes try to become bureaucrats or sysops. Some have even been appointed to such positions. Others have not, and few have withdrawn their attempts to become such when their shortcomings were explained. I respect the latter for at least recognizing that they are not presently fit for such positions. That act in itself shows potential for the future. Well done. Sardaukar 04:34, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

DoA

The link I provided in Talk:The City of Torc'qua#How in the world can anybody beat this? may prove helpful if you did feel like venturing into DoA with heroes with me later. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 13:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah thanks Drogo Boffin 14:09, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey man

It's been about a decade... how's it been? Doing okay? Staying safe from the rona? -Auron 07:36, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah man it's been a long time. We are rona free but live and work in a hotspot thanks to tourists. We're doing good. Still married to the same crazy ass woman. How about you how are you holding up? Drogo Boffin 08:09, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm... managing. Just secured a promotion at work, had a celebratory dinner tonight. But cases in our state are spiking and they're talking about another state-wide shutdown. Was supposed to staff a big scout event in Michigan this summer but that got cancelled. Zzz.

Was dating the same guy for 4 years, thought we were gonna have a life together, but he split up and moved out to San Diego without me. That was pretty rough.

Mom got diagnosed with two different cancers, 2 years apart, but surgery/radiation kept it in check.

Learning a new language and hoping to move to another country (long-term). Never thought that would be something I'd do, but it's got me more excited than I've been in years.

Great to hear you're doing well, and still married. Nickelbag Nate says hi (if you remember him from all those years ago). -Auron 08:42, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about your mom and partner. Glad to hear that she is doing well. Are you still in Hawaii? Like you I've been contemplating moving out of country and never thought I would. Been looking at Ireland and Scotland mostly. I remember Nate for sure haven't heard from him in years either. Last I heard he was heading off to Marshall. You know I've got kids as old as you guys were when we were playing together? You are not alone and if you need someone to talk to I will always be here. I can get you my phone # or email and you can message me anytime. The only reason I got on here yesterday is because I was thinking about you(I know how that sounds) and thought I would check to see if you were still active. I also went through the hilariousness that is my talk page archive. Drogo Boffin 21:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Vanq

Hey, good to see another person trying to help improve the wiki. When adding the vanq template to each page, did you also check out the large table on the Vanq page to ensure that the Notes info is most accurate? Cheers, Steve1 (talk) 22:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm an old editor here just haven't been doing anything other than my talk page for a while. I'm using the info currently on the page. Just adding the template. Drogo Boffin 22:16, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Also the only number I've seen that really deviates is the average number and it's always within 10 +/- of the current number. That's why I've been going with whats on the page. Drogo Boffin 22:20, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Started noticing more of the min/max that were off so instead of changing the numbers that were off (other than the average) I switched to pulling all numbers from the table. Drogo Boffin 00:51, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Reverts?

Why are you reverting my vanquisher totals? I made an account to update the numbers as it seems many pages are lacking kill counts. Slimmlis (talk) 00:26, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

All pages have the kill counts. There is a table on the vanquisher page with the counts as well. Drogo Boffin 00:35, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok well I saw people post their numbers on talk pages so I did the same I did not know that wasn't allowed anymore. But thank you for that link I will check it out Slimmlis (talk) 00:54, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

There is a research page somewhere for that. I've been trying to fine it. Drogo Boffin 01:01, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Standby Admins

Hey Drogo, I saw you mention you were curious about the exact wording of the policy currently being discussed and you can find it here: Guild Wars Wiki:Adminship/draft for standby admins. Hope that helps matey :) -- Salome 03:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

It indeed does. Thanks Drogo Boffin 03:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

There's also this, but you should take the time to look through Salome's edit history to see just how much he repeats himself, and how he hasn't actually backed up his words with actions. I find it interesting that whenever he graces us with his presence, all he does is write massive walls of text rather than actually do sysop tasks. horrible | contribs 03:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Horrible I'm really not prepared to engage with you here and make Drogo's talk page another page where you rant about your oppinions on me as an admin or user. I will say that Drogo is an old hand at the wiki and in all likelihood has probably already checked my edits, not to mention that im perfectly happy for any and all to check my wiki usage anyway. If you wish to continue a debate with me Horrible or talk about how much I "repeat" myself or what activities I perform when I wish to "grace" the wiki with my presense, you're more than welcome to post on my talk page. However, do bare in mind, I'm always happy to engage in mutually respectful debate even though it results in "massive walls of text". -- Salome 04:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I read that. The active admin has been handling everything just fine and me not having admin access to see what needs to be done I can't make a judgement on if he is skipping things that need to be done while "writing massive walls". If you have access I would like to see what sysop tasks he is currently ignoring. It's okay Salome I don't mind. I enjoy some life on this page. And makes it easier to keep up with. Drogo Boffin 04:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

And yes I wen't through his edits. I'm perfectly comfortable with his ability to be admin. Drogo Boffin 04:16, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

"If you have access I would like to see what sysop tasks he is currently ignoring" You can see for yourself at Special:Log/Salome, though I don't fault anyone for not wanting to read through 3+ months of walls of text. There's a reason gish-gallop is so effective.

• Time-specific tasks that he somehow is never present for: Banning Vandals, Vandal Edit rollbacks. Greener has been single-handedly doing these for weeks now.
• Time-agonstic tasks that he's just flat-out ignored: Everything listed here, for starters. Greener went through and cleaned up some of them earlier this week, but there had been pages sitting with a deletion tag for over a month without user input. Per GWW:DELETE, any page sitting longer than 3 days is subject to deletion - if, however, Salome disagreed with the deletions of every single article there, then he should have acted as a user and noted his disagreement. Instead, he ignored the task. There's also merge discussions and move discussions, which both either need a consensus (community-driven) or a decision (sysop-driven).

Salome flat-out ignores janitorial work, and thinks that the community aspect of being a sysop shouldn't exist (and as a result, ignores that too).

But then again I've only been here 11 years, so what do I know? horrible | contribs 13:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I've been through all of that. I've only been on here since 07 so I apparently know very little. What is your end goal here? Are you pushing to have them removed so you can start your own RFA to fill the void? Drogo Boffin 14:10, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

My reasoning is laid out here. horrible | contribs 14:31, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

There is someting more than that. I don't know what it is yet. But there is something else going along with it. Drogo Boffin 14:40, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

If you mean in regards to Salome specifically, yes - the fact that he's unable to even consider the idea that being absent for 9 years might be bad, even if not explicitly forbidden, shows he's not a capable sysop. horrible | contribs 14:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

On the contrary, all that shows is that he stopped playing the game and moved on with his life. It actually says nothing whatsoever about his ability to use sysop tools. -Auron 01:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh snap....Auron in the house. Drogo Boffin 01:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I feel like you missed the point, Auron. It's not necessarily his absence that I'm reacting to at this point, it's his response to this whole thing. It shows two character flaws that I feel should not be allowed in sysops: An inability to view things from different perspectives ("empathy"), and an unwillingness to give up prestige/power, despite not actually using it. That's the reason I support Aiiane's reconfirmation, but not Salome's. horrible | contribs 11:51, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

There is a marked difference between not understanding someone's point of view, and not agreeing with it. We also try to quash any prestige that comes with being an admin on this wiki, and the modicum of power that admin have is entrusted to be used only at the community's behest. If the glorified janitor analogy doesn't work for you, perhaps see admin as referees of a game which the players designed. Greener (talk) 16:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I know they're not the same; what gives you the impression I don't? Salome is acting like policies were handed down to Moses rather than created by the community on an as-needed basis. The community has overwhelmingly agreed that there's a need for some sort of policy regarding activity/standby status (here, here, and here) The matter of discussion is how to implement it, not whether to do so at all. As for "We also try to quash any prestige" - Y'all keep saying this, but I've seen zero quashing going on. Quite contrarily, you felt it was appropriate to joke about quid-pro-quo in your comment on Aiiane's RFA, and the reverence of Auron is practically vomit-inducing. horrible | contribs 16:44, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Making fun of something is a great way to remove any erroneously perceived power; it's why I made the joke. You're also smart enough to know the difference between a person and the role that they have. Guess which one I respect? Hell, you're smart enough to not be making any of these silly statements, so take a step back for a bit and refocus. Greener (talk) 17:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

The game was designed by peeps who left the playing field a decade ago. And there isn't much quashing going on. Kindly spare us any propaganda, thanks.

The 3 / 2 bcrats can ignore community votes when they think it's in the interest of the wiki. What they personally think is in the interest of the wiki, decided by them. Steve1 (talk) 10:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

edit summary

"→‎Trivia: Wukunda for Never)"

I'd really like to know what you mean by this. horrible | contribs 20:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Making fun of the ip that kept adding stuff for Wakanda and spelling it wrong. Steve gets it. I did however make a mistake with my edit, didn't catch the quotation mark at the end of all the quotes. Drogo Boffin 20:15, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

you're uninformed

There was an update 3 weeks ago. They released a sizable content patch in April. Not only is that the completely wrong location to continue on such a topic, but your basic premise is completely wrong. horrible | contribs 05:09, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

April. And the last update fixed a server crash and changed very little if anything for the game. Arenanet has stated they they are no longer actively working on this game. When I find it I'll link it. It's also on the wiki somewhere too. Drogo Boffin 05:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

"no longer be releasing any new content for the live game except in support of automation" <----- Drogo Boffin 05:47, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Quoting anet's stance from a decade ago - which they have broken numerous times - doesn't make you smart. it shows you're unwilling to accept your mistake. And if you don't see why this is a big enough topic to merit it's own discussion, then maybe you're not fit to actually participate in such a topic in the first place. horrible | contribs 13:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

And, once again, you're blatantly wrong. " Tiny updates that add 0 new content are the same as no updates". They've added multiple sets of weapons, various items (a minipet, summoning stone, etc), 10 elite skills, quests, and more. You not noticing that does not mean it hasn't happened. Get your head out of the ground and stop arguing for something you can't even begin to understand the implications of, especially since you're doing so from a place of ignorance. horrible | contribs 13:29, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Any decision regarding sunsetting wiki editing would need to be made with both the wiki community and ArenaNet. While the operation of the wiki is in the hands of the community, Anet does still host us for documenting the game, and that fundamental of a change to the project they're hosting is something they would need to also be on-board with, according to their goals and strategies.

And then of course there's the community itself. While the wiki is mostly in maintenance mode, that's an emphasis on mostly. There are still worthwhile edits and additions being made. We'd need to take a good hard look at unfinished projects for where we are and where we want to be. If something's going to be left by the wayside, it should be out of a conscious decision based on cost-benefit, not just swept aside on a whim without thought or care.

Long story short, I don't disagree that it's something worth considering at some point, but even if we started the discussion today (and I don't think everyone's ready to start the discussion today), it wouldn't be something that would happen overnight. Still got a wiki to run in the meantime. - Tanetris (talk) 15:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Main focus is and will remain GW2W. I know it wouldn't be overnight but I do think it is time to look into getting that discussion started. And its no mistake. I haven't seen enough added in the last 10 years to the game or activity on this wiki to merit your level of asshattery. Drogo Boffin 05:14, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

The mental gymnastics you're employing by conflating me being an asshole with the amount of content anet has released and somehow reaching the conclusion that either of those things imply the wiki is "complete" beggar belief. horrible | contribs 13:07, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Woa there.... There was absolutely zero name calling on my part as that would constitute a personal attack you however have no problem breaking said rule by saying "mental gymnastics you're employing". Consider yourself warned. Drogo Boffin 03:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

You're not able to warn me. If you feel I'm violating NPA, take it up with a sysop. horrible | contribs 12:40, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Then consider yourself warned. I was close to taking action on it, but we've always been a little more lenient on user talk pages unless the owner of the page brings it up. --Rainith (talk) 16:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

So, to be clear, "mental gymnastics" is not acceptable, but accusations of "asshattery" and being "absurd" and "overly dramatic" are. Cool. Thanks for informing me. horrible | contribs 16:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Actually I was more referring to some of your earlier, more passive-aggressive statements:

• "And if you don't see why this is a big enough topic to merit it's own discussion, then maybe you're not fit to actually participate in such a topic in the first place."
• "Get your head out of the ground and stop arguing for something you can't even begin to understand the implications of, especially since you're doing so from a place of ignorance."

But hey, take from it what you will. --Rainith (talk) 21:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

None of that is even coming close to a personal attack. Arguing for things you don't understand (and it isn't possible to understand all of the implications of a topic that hasn't been discussed or even had its scope defined) shows an inability to reason, or even think ahead.

While there are certainly some shutdown measures I would be in favor of, there are many more I would not. Arguing for or against such a topic nonchalantly in the middle of another discussion is both thoughtless and dangerous. I fully stand by my statements above. horrible | contribs 16:06, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Both those quotes bring into question someone's intelligence and therefore constitute a personal attack, just because you're hiding it behind nicer sounding words doesn't make it mean anything other than "You aren't smart enough to talk about these things." --Rainith (talk) 16:11, 15 October 2020 (UTC)