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I've always wondered why you don't get your signature to link to your talk page instead of the non existant user page? If you just liked the color of the broken link you could use [[User talk:Silver Edge|<span style="color:#a55858">Silver Edge</span>]] which would produce an identical appearance to the current one you use ( it would look like Silver Edge ). User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 13:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I use the "Your signature with timestamp" button found at the top of the editing window and I haven't entered anything in the "New signature" field in my preferences. One issue with linking to my talk page is that my signature will be bold when used on my talk page because it links to this page (e.g. Silver Edge), which I find to look a little odd. --Silver Edge 20:42, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
You can always add some more css to fit your needs ;) Silver Edge [[User talk:Silver Edge|<span style="color:firebrick;font-weight:normal;">Silver Edge</span>]] User ***EAGLEMUT*** Signature.png ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK 17:02, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I've changed the link in my signature to link to my talk page. Thanks guys. Happy editing! --Silver Edge 21:21, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

New Category

Maybe it needs a discussion so it doesnt look like an "edit battle". If Guild Wars Wiki is to provide players with information and we already have user (character) pages and also guild pages... why not alliance lists as well? Maybe you could put some sort of global announcement at the top like election message sometimes appear. So that all alliances that find this link (feature) usefull can add themselves. I was just the first one. Which I feel kinda odd considering the game has 6 years.Yoshida Keiji 10:48, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Time on upcomming...

I was looking ahead to see what is comming up, and noticed the time for Wintersday is saying 2pm or would it be 12pm start?.MystiLefemEle 08:27, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I just copy and pasted the announcement that appeared for last year's Wintersday from Weekend events/2010. If I remember correctly, last year's Wintersday started later than the usual noon start time. --Silver Edge 08:53, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Light my Fire and vanqing

Hi there, I'm going to copy the vanq comment back to the HM page because: If going for vanq you're by definition in HM so you might as well do the HM version of LmF for better rewards instead of doing the HM thingie twice. Steve1 13:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Generally, we point to the nm quest, since the walkthrough and notes are identical (or nearly so); we do this for the same reason that we post one walkthrough for quests, missions, and dungeons: even though some spawns (and mechanics) are different, most of the advice is the same.
For this particular situation, I'm ambivalent about whether it needs to be present on both LMF and LMF (HM) or not: the suggestion shouldn't be missed, but really, the main reason we have a LMF (HM) is simply b/c the quest ID is different — people really should be encouraged to read/post at LMF and talk:LMF.
I have rephrased the note, however: the synergy is one way: you should take a few additional minutes to VQ as long as you have started LMF, but you shouldn't go out of your way to ensure you have LMF (or LMF-HM) active if you were planning on VQing (there's a lot of extra steps to make that happen). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:48, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
moved from User talk:Tennessee Ernie Ford#Light my Fire
What I was trying to get to was the following: If you're planning to do both the NM and HM version of LmF plus the area vanq then it would be best to wait with the vanq until you can do the HM version of this Q. THen it's only 1x nm + 1x hm unstead of 2x hm. Steve1 16:45, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
There are two distinct one-way synergies. One is about taking a few extra steps for a substantial reward; the other is about minmax advance planning. The first is useful to know before starting the quest; the second is useful to know before beginning the VQ. Accordingly, there are similar (but distinct) notes on the relevant articles. (I admit, however, that the VQ note implies, but does not explicitly state the full benefit of avoiding a third visit to the area.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm fine with the way things are now. Although there's one thing I would like to add: The "taking a few extra steps for a substantial reward" is for the LMF HM version! ;) If you're doing the LMF NM Q, then it's not just a few extra steps, you have to change from NM to HM and things are bit more of a hassle then. ;-D
PS: Are you following me around? I think I saw you zeroing in on quite a few of my edits recently. ^^ Steve1 17:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
D'oh! Good point about the "few extra steps." Not enough caffeine? I'll fix it (if you haven't done so already).
Re:stalking. No, that's your ego talking ;-) More seriously: I do (sometimes) patrol RC and use recent edits as an excuse to spot check an article. All of our articles deserve to updated to current wiki standards, but it's too much work to review even a small fraction of those without recent edits. Sometimes someone updates an article with a useful idea, but forgets to update the same on similar articles...and again, patrolling RC is the easiest way to notice. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Hadn't had the time - but you were quick enough!
I had a lengthy talk with my ego and it says you're wrong! ;)
Hullo Mr. SilverEdge, we're having this conversation here on your very own user page so you could chime in instead of just reverting our edits on the LMF HM site. Steve1 21:44, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm actually okay with SilverEdge's edit: as mentioned, we really treat the HM-quest pages as placeholders/pointers and include all relevant details on the nm pages. It's cleaner to be consistent about it b/c it means that folks will know that they should always look at the nm-quest page. If we start putting useful notes on any HM-quest pages, it will mean people will also have to look at both pages to be sure they found everything. (In fact, I have been thinking that it might have been a mistake for us to create two quest pages rather than to treat these like mish & dungeons: they, too, have identical names in nm/HM, but different spawns etc...but that's a convo for another time.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Fanboi, pah! j/k In that case I have a suggestion: Add a marker to HM Qs about the NM article (like NM Qs have if there is a corresponding HM Q) e.g. "This quest has a Normal mode version — see Questnamehere. That page may include additional information!" I've been lurking on this wiki since its very beginnings - and know about that placeholder standard since about 6 hours. And I think other folks may have similar experiences. Steve1 23:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Correct way to create a duplicate image

What is the correct way for me to create a duplicate image (e.g. for Nicholas the Traveller when he is in a location that he has visited previously)? Thanks in advance. --Combatter 23:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

As suggested at Talk:Nicholas the Traveler#DPL on Nicholas the Traveler/Research, redirects should be used. If you click the red link that appears in the infobox on Nicholas the Traveler when no image has been created, it will take you to the Upload file page (where you cannot create a redirect), so you should instead copy the file name (e.g. File:Nicholas the Traveler date.jpg) and paste it into the search box and click go or search and then click the red link that appears there to create the redirect. --Silver Edge 05:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! :-) --Combatter 09:32, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Xunlai agent

Shouldnt the rest of the "Xunlai Agent" mentions be changed to "Xunlai agent"? User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 05:57, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Of the three instances of "Xunlai Agent" in the dialogue, only that one uses a lowercase "agent". --Silver Edge 06:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Ah nice catch.User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 06:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Unclaimed items

Thanks for fixing my mistaken and repeated attempts to describe how to reposition the box. My apologies for creating extra work for you. (Also: have a happy and a merry.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 23:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Happy holidays to you also. --Silver Edge 05:54, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

Thanks for the format editing on the Quetzal Crest page.--Remlwc 08:02, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Happy editing! --Silver Edge 08:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Skills and Targets

I've seen that you've partially reverted your edits, but here's a few thoughts about targeting anyway:

  • Target isn't just a synonym for "selected creature", it's a term that's relevant for Shame, Mistrust, Guilt, Vow of Silence, Well of the Profane, Spell targeting prevention and others.
  • The target is usually the selected creature, but there are documented exceptions.
  • Gaze of Fury is not considered to target the selected foe, but the spirit that gets replaced. target=spirits and a note was (imho) the best way to document that.
  • Doublecast skills currently consider the selected creature to be the target, even if it's a foe. See this forum thread. Whether or not that's a bug remains to be seen. For now, I think we should either wait on the official word or document it as an anomaly.

Not a complaint, just a FYI. Thanks for the work you're doing on the wiki! Tub 01:16, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Should I make any additional changes, reverts or leave it as is for now? --Silver Edge 04:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

[Defend North Kryta Province (Hard mode)]

1) NONE of the other titan Qs list their NM counterpart as a prereq!

2) and that's because in case of the titan Qs it's strictly linear: defend DF (NM) -> defend denravi/ NK (all NM) / LLD -> titan source (NM) -> defend DF (HM) -> defend denravi/ NK (all HM) / LLD -> titan source (HM)

2b) so the NM Qs are not a req for their HM counterpart, they are for some earlier Qs

2c) in case of the beyond Qs it's different: you don't need to finish the whole NM Q line before you can begin the HM Qs. So there both the NM Q and the preceding HM Q are both real prereqs.

3) So I will undo your undo again, because it wasn't correct! Steve1 09:19, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for my mistaken revert. --Silver Edge 20:02, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
NP, I hope I didn't sound too patronizing ... :S Steve1 21:44, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Weekend Activities

Thanks for fixing up my complete fail with the weekend announcement for Alliance Battles. Couldn't work it out early in the morning. Robdalf 19:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem. --Silver Edge 20:02, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Plural meaning singular

I think plural nouns can also target singular entities right? As in, "people wanting to catch the train should leave early" also applies to a single person. Although, in the case of Guild Wars and Glimmering Mark, it would definitely be more accurate to say "target foe" if only meaning the target :). P.S. This is just for discussion's sake, not serious about the bug note :). User Judas Sig.pngudas 21:24, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

True. I find it odd that they used that description for Glimmering Mark. Fevered Dreams also affects foes in proximity of the target foe, but its description clearly states that only the target foe will get dazed. I see there is an active topic about Glimmering Mark on the support forum, perhaps someone from QA will clear up whether Glimmering Mark's functionality was suppose to match its description. --Silver Edge 21:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


Can you explain this edit? User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 22:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

After taking a quick glance, I thought the content was spam. I'll pay closer attention next time. --Silver Edge 04:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Finding Gadd‎

How is it worded in the game? It looks like it should say "inscription stone" instead of "inscription"User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 06:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

It's "inscription" in-game (screenshot). --Silver Edge 08:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Ah thanks. I cant log in right now. I woulda taken your word for it. User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 14:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

"You" vs "Your party" in solo mission

Hello! I fixed yesterday the "party" in notes in Tihark Orchard, you returned back to previous version. I wouldn't like to insist that I was right and I know that it's a common phrase almost for all mission notes; besides this, a single person is a particular case of a party. However, my point is that a common sense is more important. No other players, heroes or henchmen can enter this mission; also the summoned allies and pets (not strictly a party members) cannot travel to outpost with player anyway, the same for mission-assigned allies (Vabbi Guards). Solo mission, solo finish. --Slavic 15:16, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I've edited it again so it's now consistent with the note on Augury Rock, the only other solo cooperative mission. --Silver Edge 22:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

PvP skill notes

I wasn't going to copy the notes over originally, but then I saw that they were for some like Savannah Heat. Should the (duplicate) notes be removed from those PvP skills? Regardless I won't be around to mess up pages on this wiki much longer, I've got to get some sleep. Toraen 05:37, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I originally did this for the hard mode quest pages that were created during part one of Winds of Change, where the information that can be found on the non-hard mode quest page isn't repeated on the hard mode quest page. That format was also continued to be used on the hard mode quest pages that were created by other users with the release of WoC part two and three. Since then, I've removed redundant notes, related skills, and trivia from PvP skill pages only when I encounter them; I haven't gone on a mass cleanup of all PvP skill pages (the reasons probably being that I haven't gotten around to it yet and I was also waiting to see if there was any opposition to it). I found that having the the same notes, related skills, and trivia on the PvE and PvP skill pages was redundant (since the pages are linked to each other at the top of the pages) and meant that two pages had to be edited when changing any of that aforementioned information (and I've seen occasions where the information is changed on one page, but not on the other). --Silver Edge 06:07, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Morale Boost

Hi, I saw that Dwarven Raider will give a MB after 25 kills. Do you know if the other 3 Reputation Blessings in EotN also give a MB after 25 kills? Steve1 16:18, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I believe that's only the case for Dwarven Raider, since that's the only blessing that can be received in dungeons, while the others can be received in explorable areas. --Silver Edge 18:02, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Okay, understood, thanks. And one will not get a MB after 25 kills without Dwarven Raider? I was under the impression that the MB is a dungeon specific thing.Steve1 16:23, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
It's definitely linked to number of foes killed...and I've always assumed that required the bounty/blessing. I'll delay taking one next dungeon visit to see if it happens anyhow. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:53, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Awesome! Thanks in advance. I haven't been inside a dungeon in ages ... :D Steve1 17:28, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
It's linked to the bounty/blessing. I testing while going after the Eldritch Ettin on L2 (killed all, didn't talk to any of the beacons and got no bonuses). (Soz for the delay in responding.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 04:48, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Steve1 21:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit Conflict

Thanks for helping clean up that article a bit...First time I've created an NPC page. :P -- talk pageThon Ghul|Talk 21:56, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Happy editing! --Silver Edge 21:59, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


You have mail (slightly timely, not anything critical — just sharing an observation).

In other news, I like what you did with Blood Pact, the Flux on historical content, and the updates for the festival. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 04:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Wintersday in July sales

The NCSoft/GW1 store is having a "Wintersday in July" sale for 3 weeks (each week, a different offer). I thought I remembered something in the login messages, but I didn't see it today.

It seems to me that this should be linked to the "this week" or "this month" sections of the main page or somehow be more prominent, but... I'm not sure what would work best. I'm posting on your talk instead of main/edit copy, news, or events because I'm not altogether sure where this should go.

I'm hoping you might remember how we handled this the last time there was a changing sales event that coincided with an in-game festival.

(For those playing along at home, the current sale started 5 July and is a 50% discount on individual merc slots and 50% off any skill-unlock pack; no word that I could find on what will be on sale on the 12th or 19th. The announcement for this year's WiJ comes late, since it's in a week. (It's also taking place about a week sooner than normal, no doubt to avoid a conflict with BWE#3.) ) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:31, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Usually festival-related sales, i.e. costumes, are noted on the festival page. I don't think there has ever been a "changing sales event that coincided with an in-game festival". There was the Sixth Anniversary Sale that occurred for five weeks from May to June 2011 with a different sale each week, but that didn't start until the last day of the Sixth Year Anniversary Celebration, so it didn't actually coincide with an in-game festival and was more of a sales event in celebration of six years since the release of Prophecies. That sale was only mentioned on the wiki via the news and Sixth Year Anniversary Celebration, but the latter only had a note about the sale added to the page when it was the second week of the five week sale and it was at a time when the Sixth Year Anniversary Celebration no longer appeared on the Main Page since that in-game event was over.
You could either add a link to news#July 5th, 2012 in the "this week" or "this month" section of Main Page or, since it has already been announced on the official site create Wintersday in July 2012 and mention the sales there and link to that in-game event page in a "next week" section on the Main Page. The former would probably be the better option since the sales event is three weeks long, while the in-game event itself only runs for a weekend and having a link to Wintersday in July 2012 on the Main Page when that weekend event is over would be odd.
I wouldn't call this year's Wintersday in July as being announced late on, when other events, such as the Dragon Festival, don't get announced on the official site and have their event page updated until the day the event starts.
Also, the Wintersday in July event isn't "taking place about a week sooner than normal". It always occurs in mid-July, the first weekend after the "Arena Bonus Weekend" (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011). --Silver Edge 22:13, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I've made a note of it on the Wintersday in July 2012 page. --Silver Edge 04:49, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Also in case anyone was keeping track of it, the second week of the three week sale has the limited edition Wintersday costume packs with a 50% discount. --Silver Edge 05:08, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Wintersday in July 2012

I know the notes section is found in previous WiJ events, but they both seem redundant. I would think a note would be in order if CCS dropped from PvE foes. When I first read it, I thought perhaps this year was going to be different. Just thought I'd run that by you for your consideration. Thanks! Sardaukar User Sardaukar sig.png 05:14, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I think that note is there to clarify that while Candy Cane Shards do drop from PvE foes during Wintersday, they don't during Wintersday in July. --Silver Edge 20:20, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Currently the note is saying (as I read it) that this is the first year they drop from PvE foes. However on the guru forum started some reports that they aren't dropping. also [[1]] isn't saying they drop from pve foes (only that they are gained by competing in the arena, though the intro of that block talks bout dropping in PvE). Cause of the lack of drops myself and others have been observing I would like to ask you if you observed them dropping as well. if not My guess is that Anet made a mistake in their announcement. the threath on the guru can be found here: [[2]] 16:23, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
That is what my previous comment above meant: "I think that note is there to clarify that while Candy Cane Shards do drop from PvE foes during Wintersday" and "they don't during Wintersday in July". That note was copied from the Wintersday in July 2011 page. I've clarified the note on the Wintersday in July 2012 page. --Silver Edge 16:56, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Sigh - that note just made me look a complete tool on Guru. Still, that's nothing new ^_^ --snogratUser Snograt signature.png 17:41, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing it up Silver. 18:00, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Pure Curiosity

Do you have a system for how you check pages at all? Or do you just fix them as you see them or go through the Special:Random? I'm curious because I think the game is at the point where we should systematically go through all articles to make sure everything is documented and consistently, as some of the older articles, and even some newer ones, are either inconsistent or follow a different formatting system than what was finalized (especially thinking WiK and HotN for the new stuff, such as the "missions" and how the NPC location template is used on them).
I am wanting to go through systematically so that we can create a check off list for what's up to date to current guidelines and formatting means, rather than fixing as we see since we will miss things that way. Konig/talk 04:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

My method would be "fix them as [I] see them" when I check article edits on Special:RecentChanges and when I view a article because I needed or wanted to see what information was on the wiki article of the in-game subject. What kind of format are you planning to use for the checklist? --Silver Edge 05:01, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Either just go alphabetical of all pages (the long and looney way), or create a checklist based on category (e.g., locations, missions, NPCs, quests). I think the latter would be easier to manage. Just find/make an appropriate category holding them all, then go through one by one.
System doesn't really matter to me much so long as a checklist with all content articles exists so no pages are missed. I think now (the next 5 weeks especially) is the prime time to try to get most things done because until GW2 is released, the Live Team will be helping with that so there will be minimal updates to GW1, similarly there's a lot of old articles lacking information without being stubbed (for example, I saw that Lord Darrin was missing his pre-Searing dialogue which I'm heading to get atm once Steam starts up and I log in). Konig/talk 05:27, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I guess I could do the explorable area pages. I had previously went through a lot of the explorable area pages when it was Nicholas the Traveler's location that week (editing one explorable area page a week) during his initial round of visits, but I stopped partway because I had forgotten about that weekly habit. --Silver Edge 19:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Dazagonur Bastion

I read, thank you and still, the Boss they mention is the warrior, right? Who is near the West bombardment.. Although, I would think that the Ele Boss would shred the Vabbian defenders. Personally, I always place the Vabbian defenders at the Western Bombardment - Which do you do? out of curiosity that is. Honestly though, either is is a bit vague as written or I was too hasty, either way, thank you for pointing this out.MystiLefemEle 06:05, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I know you didn't ask me, but I put 2 groups to the east (near ele) and 1 group to west (near war), then I take the bosses out in the order of monk->warrior->paragon->elemental. Most of the time, the NPCs don't get close enough to the ele boss for him to "shred" through them. Sometimes they can though, but by then I'm usually at the paragon boss. Konig/talk 07:41, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
I believe that paragraph is suggesting that most of the NPCs should be sent to defend the east while the party goes to the west. I also send two groups to the east and one to the west. I kill the middle two bosses, the war, and then the ele. --Silver Edge 08:39, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for cleaning up my feedback page, I appreciate the help! Adhyron 22:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Happy editing! --Silver Edge 04:22, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

ArenaNet vs ANet

You asked Why does "ANet" have to be used? I wonder why we have to use ArenaNet. I think it ought to work like links: the first entry should be spelled out and linked, e.g. ArenaNet, but there's no need to do that throughout the article. Subsequent appearances of the word can (in my opinion) use the name that everyone actually uses, ANet (without the link).

We do the same thing with Keiran Thackeray and other mouthfuls: we spell out his official name when it first appears, but shorten it to Keiran or Thackeray later.

But perhaps I missed the policy/guideline that specifies that we should type out the official name (and not use the commonly-used variant). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:31, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Unlike Keiran Thackeray (shortened to Keiran or Thackeray) and area of effect (abbreviated to AoE), etc., "ArenaNet" isn't that much longer than "ANet". I'm not the only one who doesn't see the point in using "ANet" instead of "ArenaNet". There is the Guild Wars Wiki:Formatting/Abbreviations guideline, but that was changed to an accepted formatting guideline without consensus. --Silver Edge 04:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
My point is that it's just as valid to insist on "ANet" (after the first use) as it is to insist on using "ArenaNet" in all instances. It's a preference, not a requirement; there's not best or correct usage.
According to the proposed policy you quoted, "[g]enerally, an abbreviation should only be listed if it is unique enough and in common enough use that it is highly unlikely to require further explanation. "
This fits for two reasons: no one is going to be confused by "ANet" and (aside from the people support the "ANet always" view) no one uses "ArenaNet" except employees of ArenaNet in their official publications. We aren't employees (at least, if we are, I'm still waiting for my paycheck) and this isn't an official publication (it's a community effort). Yes, there are some who prefer that the longer version be used, but I'm sure just as many who prefer to abbreviate. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 05:18, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
My two cents: Official documentations should be long versions whereas unofficial usage can be ANet. Though it is my personal preference to spell out everything all the time on the wiki since it's about "documentation" above all, I prefer to use ArenaNet. In official usages of abbreviations and the like, typically the first use is <<full name/word>> (<<abbreviation to be used in the rest of the document>>), so in this case the first useage would be seen as ArenaNet (ANet).
However... I don't see a need to use ANet. But then again, other than as a redirect or constant overusage, I don't see a need for things like AoE, PvP, and so forth (and you'll often finding me using the elongated forms if there are other things to be changed, just as I'd alter Image: to File:). I think this is the same case as the Image/File usage actually - it comes down to preference.
I also strongly disagree with "no one uses "ArenaNet" except employees of ArenaNet in their official publications", though usually it is only used in "official" documentations (articles and the like are included). ANet is used in a casual case, whereas ArenaNet is formal. That's what it comes down to - and whether or not GWW is "casual" or "formal" (which, again, is preference of what the wiki should be). Konig/talk 05:31, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Move vs exchange

It's about Andar D'leod, you probably remember the reason of editing, my (ex)changes and your fixes after. Eventually you have done it more correct, but with much more operations; thanks anyway! I understand the idea that it would be better to retain all the history of the article on one page, even if the name has been changed. The problem is, as I suppose, an idea of history retention is more a tradition rather than a policy, at least I haven't found such policy or guideline and decided that exchange is easier but yet acceptable (history would retain too, but not in one page). Have I missed something or maybe need to mention such policy somewhere? --Slavic 11:57, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

As per Guild Wars Wiki:About: "ArenaNet offered to host user-contributed content under the terms of the GNU Free Document License". Guild Wars Wiki:Copyrights and Guild Wars Wiki:General disclaimer also mention the GFDL. Section 4(i) of the GFDL requires a page's contributors to be attributed, so instead of copying and pasting an entire page's content to another page that already exists (e.g. redirect page), the move destination page should be deleted and the page and its edit history moved there. Merging two pages is different though. --Silver Edge 04:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I understand this logical chain, it's quite correct, but unfortunately it's not enough formalised here in Wiki guides. Yes, it's a right way to retain the contribution of all people before. Although, I suspect another problem: deleting the destination page before moving may require the admin rights; in such case need to ask one of admins for help. Maybe this can be circumvented with "chain moving", but I'm not sure... --Slavic 08:23, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it requires an admin to delete the destination page, which is similar to how it's done at Wikipedia (see w:HELP:MOVE#Overwriting an existing page and w:WP:MOVE#Moves where the target name has an existing page). --Silver Edge 08:35, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Consulate Docks

I don't think I agree with your revision of the Hard Mode on Consulate Docks. While I agree the original poster's paragraph was redundant and could be much reduced, I think your rewriting it in the imperative loses much of the pleasant feeling of being helped. More specifically, yes, the first sentence can and should have been fully excised. But taking out the mention of how difficult the HM version is in the phrasing about being able to do it with a strong hero set and leaving a simple "avoid over-aggro" is not in the spirit of a helpful community wiki. By using such reductionism, one can just as easily justify removing your own edit. And while we're at it, let's just remove the HM section altogether and let those dumb n00bs RTFM... Slippery slope.

To summarize: removing redundancy => awesome. Removing content => less so. Imperator.Nox 23:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

IMO, no content was harmed during the latest edit. It's a given that HM is harder than nm. It's similarly redundant to recommend bringing strong heroes (it's worth mentioning when a mission can be completed with weak teams). So, the primary point of the HM section was to point out that the location of the third commander is a risky spot and that point is still present. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 02:17, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
"A party with strong heroes should have little to no trouble..." [3] It's only worth noting on a page if the hard mode mission/quest/dungeon/vanquish would be difficult even with a "strong hero" party. --Silver Edge 04:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
That, too. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 05:27, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


Apologies if my edit summary seemed blunt. I think that in certain circumstances that a "dictionary definition" can indeed be a trivia. Trivium? Whatever. Caltrops is one of those because it is somewhat obscure. In my opinion, of course :) --snogratUser Snograt signature.png 09:12, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Since this is the English GWW, readers should be able to acknowledge what a Caltrop is. Now, if the noun was written in another language e.g.: Makibishi, then a Trivia could help English speakers understand its naming origin. What do you mean with:"somewhat" obscure? Watch out! I dropped some over there. User Yoshida Keiji Signature.jpg Yoshida Keiji talk 09:35, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Ah well, the majority seem to be of that opinion, so I'll drop it. I stand by what I say, though - kids just ain't getting the edumacation these days. --snogratUser Snograt signature.png 13:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Followed bys

Sorry, sorry - I'm really not stalking you. I see that you added Eavesdropping to the list of "followed by" quests on Kodonur Crossroads. I am pretty sure that only primary quests or missions should go in there, i.e. continuation of the storyline. Am I wrong again? :) --snogratUser Snograt signature.png 16:07, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:Quest infobox and Guild Wars Wiki:Formatting/Quests don't state that only missions or primary quests are to be listed in the "followed by" parameter on a mission or primary quest page's infobox. --Silver Edge 04:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Mm, I was thinking it was implicit. You could get to the stage where completing a mission opens up many, many quests. I looked at GWW:MISSIONS which says: "followed by - The name of the quest or mission that the player must undertake to continue the storyline. Can be omitted if not required." --snogratUser Snograt signature.png 04:32, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Completing which mission "opens up many, many quests"? The primary quest that follows Kodonur Crossroads is the first quest listed in that infobox. Having those three secondary quests listed at Kodonur Crossroads informs readers that these quests become available when that mission is completed. --Silver Edge 05:54, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Ah, it's not an important point, as long as it's consistent. What I had in mind were missions like Zen Daijun which technically makes available every quest in Kaineng. Well ok, you could argue that A Master's Burden does that, but you see my point? Either the mission or the quest would have "followed by" and a list of somewhere between 9 and 11 quests. But, as I said - it isn't a biggie. --snogratUser Snograt signature.png 12:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Currently, none of the infoboxes on the mission pages lists secondary quests that are available from quest givers in outposts or explorable areas that can be reached due to the completion of that mission. A Master's Burden wouldn't list any other quest except Mayhem in the Market, because you can go acquire any secondary quest in Kaineng Center (that doesn't have any pre-requisite quest) before completing (acquiring the quest reward for) A Master's Burden. Kodonur Crossroads currently lists secondary quests that are only available when that mission has been completed at least once. --Silver Edge 07:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Lauren Stumme

Thank you so much for fixing that. It bothered me to no end that it linked to nothing (see: Lorn the Great) but I couldn't for the life of me find the documentation I needed that Lauren was his wife, and not, say, his sister. «troy.frostwind­» 06:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

An old comment of his. --Silver Edge 06:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
You took care of it, so that was all I needed it for. But you, sir, are the master at finding old revisions with precisely what you need ;D «troy.frostwind­» 06:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Actually I remembered John mentioning Lauren in his wiki user talk pages, so I just googled "Lauren John Stumme" and found Feedback talk:John Stumme/Archive 3#Your wedding date. --Silver Edge 06:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

{{Tonics nav}}

Hi there, I saw that you removed the line breaks on this navbar. While this doesn't make a difference for either Chrome or FireFox, it displays in Internet Explorer as an immensely long line, blitzing the scroll bar about twice the page width to the right. I hope you don't mind the reversion. Chieftain Alex 15:51, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't mind. I just wasn't aware the line breaks had to be used to display it properly on IE. --Silver Edge 04:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Halloween Mausoleum

Wow, I thought I had no life but... :D I have no ego to bruse, but I believe the small note I added pertaining to the Mausoleum was pertinent to both those pages. I don't think you really needed to edit either of those pages after the tiny notations I posted. This is why I mainly share things only on my user pages. I can understand if my information was in error but to just edit for the sake of editing, don't you have enough to do? To put it another way you wouldn't like me looking over your shoulder would you? --Wendy Black 09:48, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

It was redundant to have the same note on both pages. Since it was a note concerning the Mausoleum location, it should be placed on the Mausoleum page. Also, as mentioned by the IP, the note you added to Commandeering a Mortal Vessel contradicts the anomaly note there. --Silver Edge 04:11, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for the Update info **Huggs**.MystiLefemEle 10:08, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Happy editing! --Silver Edge 06:07, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you again (re: my guild page - house of lefem).MystiLefemEle 15:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Chilling Winds

Hello! The dubious correction is here. I added a note because the skill formula in non-concise description is unclear, or, at least, incomplete. Your change with a partial revert improved understanding but not enough well. Please compare:

Current description
Hex Spell. Target foe and all adjacent foes are struck for 30...54...60 cold damage. For 10 seconds, the next Water Magic hex targeting a hexed foe lasts 25...85...100% longer.

The problem is in first sentence, which does not tell that all adjacent foes are not only struck, but also hexed. Without this explanation, reader can conclude that hex struck and hexed only the target while all adjacent foes are struck but not hexed.

Expected description
Hex Spell. Target foe and all adjacent foes are hexed and struck for 30...54...60 cold damage. For 10 seconds, the next Water Magic hex targeting a hexed foe lasts 25...85...100% longer.

This declaration is much more common approach for hexes: look at Blurred Vision as an example. You, however, removed my addition but explained another possible ambiguity, which can be understood like an effect on the adjacent foes who have been hexed before with another hex. Again, adding the hexed and to the description could resolve this ambiguity as well. So, I suggest to explain the importance of these omitted words and, maybe, place the correct expected description in the article note. What you think? --Slavic 18:27, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I've added a note to the page. Feel free to modify it. --Silver Edge 02:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I think it's enough to point at the ambiguity and clarify it, thanks! --Slavic 07:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Historical content

Found a "weird" link here Can't We Get Along? (Kurzick) and Can't We Get Along? (Luxon)... these pages are blanked, yet listed under both category and nav-template. I have no clue about these. --Falconeye 04:48, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I've reported it on GWW:BUG#Pages with question marks can no longer be accessed and User:Stephane Lo Presti/Post-10-25-maintenance feedback. --Silver Edge 20:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

weekend events

Hello SilverEdge, I just saw your edit of my edit of the WEE. And you seriously don't get the stuff on the login screen? I just started GW again it's still there for me. And you don't get it? Could someone else check it please? Steve1 20:15, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Before I made that edit, I went and started the client (which also downloaded the 24 January game update) to view the log-in screen. Now that I've checked it again, it appears on the log-in screen. Not sure why it didn't appear when I checked it before. I've reverted my edit. --Silver Edge 20:25, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I believe that you checked! I first thought you were pulling my leg. But you're not the type for that I think. ;) So I thought GW was buggy. That's why I hoped someone else could check. Steve1 20:32, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
rofl, now it's gone form me. I'll revert your revert of your edit of my post. j/k Steve1 12:05, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
The CNY announcement is missing again for me also. --Silver Edge 07:38, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
It looks like its gone. Chieftain Alex 10:42, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't know which edit Steve1 is refering to and I also think Steve1 fails to write proper title headers, I read this thread before but it meant nothing to me. Now I understand what the topic is about. User Yoshida Keiji Signature.pngYoshida Keiji(talk) 09:42, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
This was the edit that was questioned. --Silver Edge 09:46, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Same issue as last weekend I guess, at least on my side. Can you see which is this weekend's event? User Yoshida Keiji Signature.pngYoshida Keiji(talk) 11:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

No event appeared for me today nor yesterday. Either it's the same bug occurring again this weekend or they forgot to add the weekend event to the log-in screen. Most likely the latter, since they didn't even mention this weekend's event on their Facebook or Twitter pages. As for what this weekend's event might be, see Talk:Weekend events#8/2-10/2 weekend. --Silver Edge 07:46, 10 February 2013 (UTC)


And so fast too! You’re still one of the best. Remember to get you're oil changed! xD Oh, and if you want a celestial mini from a year you didn't get one, let me know. I'll get it for you. Sardaukar User Sardaukar sig.png 02:07, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the offer, but I'm okay with the number of minis I have; although, I have no where near as many as you do. Quite a massive collection. --Silver Edge 07:04, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Beat me

I was about to remove this since according to a thread at gwguru it's the second time in the 2nd cycle now. Maybe someone remembers the first time?

But thanks, eh! Steve1 22:33, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. By looking at Category:Nicholas the Traveler maps, which lists all the maps by chronological order, it seems the first time he was at a different location in an area was when he revisited Saoshang Trail for Mantid Pincers. (Discussion of that here.) --Silver Edge 22:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Avatars concept art

Can I ask why the concept art for the Avatar forms would be more appropriate on the god pages? They are, after all, concept art of the Avatar forms rather than concept art of the gods, and it's not like adding them to the Avatar pages removes them from the god pages. --Santax (talk · contribs) 08:52, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

its unrelated to the appearance while under the effects of the skill → doesn't belong on a skill page. -Chieftain Alex 17:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

PDT PST re: Alliance

When I made that edit, I saw that the UTC clock on our wiki and my clock at 8 hrs difference (Pacific zone), so, was wondering, is it now taking in consideration of the 1 hour advance? Now looking it back over, it may be right as your revision now.MystiLefemEle 11:34, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about that, you caught my time-space blunder, thank you.MystiLefemEle 11:42, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
It's okay, I get confused by time zone differences all the time. --Silver Edge 09:08, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Also, it seems the UTC clock (found at the top of any page on this wiki) is incorrect now that daylight saving time is observed in Canada and the United States. 09:08 UTC is displayed in the UTC timestamp in my comment above and in the Date and time tab in My preferences (found at the top right corner when logged in), while the wiki clock incorrectly displayed 10:08 UTC. The UTC clock correctly displayed UTC time before the beginning of daylight saving time. --Silver Edge 09:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Alliance Battle

Hello Silver Edge, I just saw that you changes "Alliance Battle" to "Alliance battle". I had the battle capitalized since that's how it appears on the login screen for example. So I propose to either change it back or do it like that Alliance Battle. What's your opinion? Steve1 (talk) 21:33, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I just did a quick edit to bypass the redirect. I guess a piped link can be used instead (i.e. [[Alliance battle|Alliance Battle]]). --Silver Edge 21:37, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Oswalt's Epitaph

moved to Talk:Oswalt's Epitaph#Oswalt's Epitaph

npc club

woo :D -Auron 07:38, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

When I created the Xunlai Archivist Auren page, it wasn't difficult to determine who it was named after. While creating Xunlai Archivist Argentum, I didn't know who the NPC was named after until I looked up the definition of "argentum". =P --Silver Edge 08:54, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Yours has some pretty fitting flavor text too! -Auron 08:57, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't notice the dialogue was actually referring specifically to something when I was transcribing it. I searched for what "argentum" meant after I had finished transcribing the dialogue. --Silver Edge 09:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Congrats you two (and Jon). Steve1 (talk) 09:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Seemingly, he has done a great deal to the wiki, as far as helping it's improvements. My hats off to you, good sir! What's your in game character name? I am curious! Rodan (talk) 20:09, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations Silver Edge, you definitely deserve it a lot :) poke | talk 20:21, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you all. Rodan, I've sent you an email with my IGN. --Silver Edge 02:54, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

dem redirects

Would it make more sense just to make a template for anet staff articles that default links to game credits from this wiki? -Auron 07:40, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not certain what you are suggesting. Can you give an example? Are you suggesting to create a template that redirects to gw2:Game credits for use on the NPC pages that are named after ArenaNet staff? I only created redirects on the GW2 Wiki for current employees, since there is a possibility for those pages to be created in the future. For former employees, I linked to the section they are listed in gw2:Game credits, since it's unlikely an article will be created for them, e.g. Sterseth. --Silver Edge 08:11, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I was thinking the game credits linking template. And yeah, your way makes sense too with regards to former employees. I'll shut up now :p -Auron 02:30, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Just a thanks

I know I haven't been on the GWW (and its ways) that actively in the past due to GW2W, but I want to just say thank you for being so active and catching those little things that I forgot about in my absence. :) - Infinite - talk 10:56, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Welcome back and happy editing! --Silver Edge 05:17, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

RE:Angchu Necromancer

I did indeed. Initially I thought its Death Magic is 16 because the Bone Horrors he summoned were level 19, then I forgot that he was constantly maintaining Masochism. So during the Free Birds quest, I quickly zoned in & out and saw the Angchu Necromancer cast AotL first before Masochism. The Bone Horror was level 17, and the AotL notes section says "The +1 Death Magic buff activates after any minions are summoned", hence the 15 Death Magic.

I'm not sure about the Ministry Purger, as my Mesmer hero was carrying an enchantment removal skill. The Putrid Bile hex which he casted on me showed 18 seconds, -3 health degeneration and 77 damage. I'm currently farming the Ministry of Purity members for uniques in Shadow's Passage, so I'll be sure to recheck this if I get the chance. But feel free to remove the attributes if you wish. Wolcott (talk) 03:30, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I was just wondering if you were aware of Masochism since you didn't mention it in the edit summaries. Also, you could have replied on your talk page since it keeps the entire discussion in one place. --Silver Edge 04:18, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Superbad team

per this revert, looking at GW Memorial, it puts the superbad team at 5th. (i.e. they lost to the winners of the final round in the quarterfinals) is there a reason you reverted that - have i missed something? -Chieftain Alex 09:34, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

My bad. I mistook the Swiss Rounds Results table on that webpage as the Final Standings table. --Silver Edge 10:02, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

The Cipher Of Dwayna

This is maybe not the right place for this, but I wanted to address you about the recent changes you have made in the page "The Cipher Of Dwayna" (20 Oct 2013, 00:45). As I did say in my edit, there is a misspelled word in the dialogue, namely "Dwayna". For some strange reason, you decided to remove the bug note, although I think you would agree, that the spelling has to be "Dwayna", not "Dwanya"... I think that the bug note should stay there, as it is clearly a bug. Please undo the aforementioned changes. Herculite67. Herculite67 18:25, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Silver Edge has done what we usually do.. which is to add {{sic}} beside the erroneous text instead of using a {{bug}} note. The use of "sic" categorizes the quest into Category:Text errors, which as you can see has 772 other ingame quests/items/missions with text errors in :/ {{Bug}}s are used for non-text non-trivial errors, such as Mhenlo getting stuck on a chest preventing the quest from continuing. (And an {{anomaly}} would be a non-text trivial error such as a text description being misleading.) -Chieftain Alex 18:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
What Alex said. Thanks for explaining everything, Alex. --Silver Edge 22:11, 28 October 2013 (UTC)