Help:Ask a game question/Archive2008 01 01-15

Missing Primary Quests

I've been playing for a few days, and got to post searing, did the Piken Square quests and the Flame Temple Corridor and so on, but...

I've run out of quests. Or so it seems. I have no primary quest, and while I can talk to NPCs in various areas (such as Flaming Sceptre Mage Danaan) who go through the quest assignment dialogue (for the Stormcaller), no quest appears in my Quest List. I've explored to Borlis Pass, met up with Beccum Reedly and the same thing happens - it goes through the quest assignment dialogue, but no quest appears. My friend, who is also playing with me, is having the same problem.

--203.217.31.70 02:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

go to this page it has the primary quest + mission that take you further ingame.--話す priestess donut 寄付03:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Slow loading itme

→ moved from Guild Wars Wiki:FAQ

The part after I make the character but before i play is slow is it meant that way and IM not sure if I was spose to choose nightfall. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:207.254.248.167 .

The first time you play can be slow as the client needs to download the necessary files for wherever you're loading into for the first time, especially if you're going into a campaign you didn't install with. You can actually pre-download all the files first before playing, see Special commands and look for "-image" for how to do it. -- ab.er.rant 04:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Here is the link for what ab.er.rant was talking about. http://www.wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Command_line . I had to look for it myself and it was pretty hrd =P. R a N g E r 0 w N a G e 05:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, it should've been Command line. Linked to the wrong page. -- ab.er.rant 06:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Sunspear Promotion Points

I am currently a rank 7 Sunspear General and I would like to increase to rank 8-I think I need 1,200 more promotion points to reach that level. I have completed all of the primary quests in Nightfall and Eye of The North. How do I get to a rank General 8? I haven't done the quest "finding a purpose" yet in nightfall or challenge quest. Does this make a difference? Or should I just be concerned with promotion points in Eye of The North? 74.229.228.95 15:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

To max out Sunspear, what I did was go to the outpost right in between Kourna and The Desolation- Gate of Desolation. Turn it to hard mode, exit with axe warriors and paragons, get the bonus from the shrine and hop in the wurms. Ride around the east side of the map and head north, taking out the 3-4 mobs of the undead. When you hit 25 undead kills, you should be straight north of Vahlen. Go destroy his mob. All in all, it should take 4-5 minutes and net you ~520 points. When I did this, I was getting about 7000 points an hour. -elviondale (tahlk) 15:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

That's what I did. I got Legendary Spearmarshal like that. Tedious, but the most effective. Calor (t) 16:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I got shedloads of Sunspear points from LB/SS farming in 5-man HM teams from Ruins of Sahlaja. If you know know what it is, just turn up and join someone advertising it, you'll get the point quick enough. :) Biscuits 21:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

How do i get to play 2 GW at once?

Can someone plz help me cause i have to GW accounts and i want to play them at the same time but i cant cause i only have one computer so what should i do to play them both? Plz help me plz?

there's four things you can do: a) accept that you can't play them at the same time, b) buy another pc, c) get a friend's pc or d) make your own operating system that allows you to run guild wars on the same pc twice. - Y0_ich_halt 18:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I remeber once someone said how to play both GW accounts at once, it had to deal with deleting ur cookies but i cant remeber?

don't need to add a new topic :) deleting cookies won't help much for gw since it doesn't have anything to do with your browser. to play two accounts, you'd need to run guild wars twice, which normal operating systems (or at least windows) will never do. one way i can think of might be changing the coding a bit, so you actually have two different guild wars on the pc which you can run at the same time, but that would be more than illegal afaik. - Y0_ich_halt 19:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanx i thought there was but i guess i was wrong

no problem. i've also had many situations where i'd have loved to use both acc at the same time... - Y0_ich_halt 19:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Ya cause my laptop crashed 5 times this montha nd im on my computer and i want to play the wintersday things and go off acually playing the game

User_talk:Gaile_Gray#Policy on multiple game clients on single computer? You should read this.--Aratak 01:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Boss-like foes and HP regeneration

Do monsters at the end of dungeons have natural hp regeneration? I remember that Zoldark the Unholy from Vloxen Excavations didn't regen during the fight, but is it something unique to him, or do all boss-like foes share this 'feature'? --Torins 19:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The reason Zoldark doesnt regenerate is because he isnt really classified as a boss. Most real bosses i now do. I havent yet found one that doesnt regenerate health. --Burning Freebies 21:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I think so far Rotscale is the only acception to the rule of non bosses with regen --Sumta 04:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Pets

→ moved from HELP:WIKI

how do i get rid of a fighter pet on guild wars?

Pet tamer — ク Eloc 貢 21:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

a book

how do i get Togo's Story in Factions?--75.104.31.25 23:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

You need the Bonus Mission Pack in order to get Togo's Story, as it a BMP item only. You do not need the book for the Factions storyline anyway, as there is nothing you can do with it without the BMP. -- Brains12 • Talk • 00:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

If you've got the Bonus Mission Pack, then you can get the book from Durmand in Kaineng Center. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 07:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

hi all im kind new at GW

So my question is this wut kind of build should i have with my warrior/monk or wut is the best one ty

PvXWiki is a great place for all builds for all professions in any circumstances. Calor (t) 02:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Frenzy

Healing Signet

Mending

Optional

optional

optional

optional

optional

— ク Eloc 貢 02:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to note there, Eloc's example is a sarcastic one (I hope). W/Mo's with Mending are a popular joke among players, as many newer players see the health regeneration from Mending and think of what a good deal it is, when in reality, the points they spend to make it effective (and the energy they lose by using it) mostly serves to dampen their own overall effectiveness as a Warrior. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 07:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree as a warrior almost never put mending on your skill bar...unless you are lvl 10 or below. Also the link to PvxWiki is a great place to find builds that have been tested and "declared" as good.Coridan 13:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

(image to the right) when i was in ra with my assassin --Cursed Angel 22:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

PvXWiki might not be a good idea considering this person is new to GuildWars. They will have a hard time getting all the skills they need and by my guess, may only own one campaign. I'd say make your own build for now. Making your own build is part of the fun of the game. — ク Eloc 貢 22:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

i suggest you have a look here. it's in the archive of this page for the second half of december. there was a question about a warrior build, and the explanation i gave applies to mostly all physical attacker builds. - Y0_ich_halt 22:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

i always suggest for people to make there own builds. i have creativly been able to solve alot of issues or heardles with my warrior and i only have GW:EN and prof, for example the griffen :) did it with 4 skills and about 10 trys (mostly build trys) also learning how to make builds teaches you well how to rip them apart --Sumta 00:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

hi

how do you play this game --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:74.192.17.127 .

to save people flaming, i would suggest following the starting missions and quests you are given, they generaly lead you by the hand on the basic operations of the game --Sumta 04:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The basics are in the manuals, you can download them here. -- Gordon Ecker 04:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

a certain bow

hi im wondering wat the name is of the bow that look transparent looking--75.104.31.25 04:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

think you mean something like this Eternal Bow, weapons section here is great for looking for weapon skins --Sumta 04:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It could also be the Storm Bow. -- Gordon Ecker 04:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

bow price

is the storm bow or the eturnal bow tradeable? If so what is the street price?--75.104.31.25 04:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Try the forums on Guild Wars Guru. We avoid doing price checks here to prevent possible scamming or price manipulation. --71.208.141.117 04:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

And yes, Storm and Eternal Bows are tradable; the drop mainly in the Fissure of Woe and Underworld, if I remember correctly. White ones are generally really common in there, while maxed Gold ones can be pretty expensive. I would suggest checking the respective pages for Storm Bow and Eternal Bow so you can get a good idea of where you can get them, and so on. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 07:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

this area is not for price checks, no where on this wiki is for that --Sumta 14:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

splitting quantities

Is there any way to leave part of a quantity with the Xunlai and keep part in your backpack?

Unfortunately no. Luckily, there isn't much reason to do this in the first place, aside from a few off cases. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 08:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmmz, I thought there was a way. When you hold the Shift-button when putting something in your chest, it shows up a dialog screen so you can enter the amount you want to transfer. Tribio talk 08:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

If so, that's something I never noticed over a year of playing. :D I'll check that in a second. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 08:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Damn. Nifty. I wonder why I never saw that feature. I've only had fourteen months to figure it out...

...okie dokie anon, does that answer your question then? -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 08:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you log onto the same account twice at the same time?

I have two computers and i am wondering whether i can log onto the same player account twice at the same time without bugs and if not can i add the same game set onto two different accounts?--84.43.36.242 14:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You cannot login multiple times on the same account. At least not at the same time. But of course you can use your second computer to login to another account. poke | talk 14:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

If you log on to the same account, it will boot the first computer off the game RT | Talk 20:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

termites

CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO FIND THE TERMITES PLEASE. I AM AT LIONS GATE AND AM RECEIVING LITTLE TO NO HELP FROM ANYONE. I AM TRYING TO DO A FESTIVAL QUEST AND REALLY NEED THEM.

ANY HELP YOU COULD PROVIDE WOULD BE GREAT. THANKS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wulverine (talk • contribs) 22:10, January 2, 2008 (UTC).

Please don't shout. Also, see here. — ク Eloc 貢 22:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

guild halls

how can i get a guild hall in the game of the year edtion oh guild wars? --74.51.104.105

See Guild hall#Acquisition poke | talk 01:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

hall heros

where is the hall heros in the game of the year edition ---74.51.104.105 01:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Not sure exactly what you mean there, but I'll take a few guesses.

If you mean the Hall of Heroes, that's a part of Heroes' Ascent, which is a PvP arena. I would suggest checking the respective articles for more info.

If you meant the Hall of Monuments, that's an area in Eye of the North; from the town Eye of the North, you can exit out right into the Hall of Monuments. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 01:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Guilds

After you have joined a guild how do you quit if you no longer want to be in the guild?71.142.134.39 02:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Next to your name on the roster, there is a little blue icon. Click it, then click "Leave My Guild". Calor (t) 02:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

If you're a guild leader, see also Guild#Leaving a guild. -- ab.er.rant 02:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Kourna

hi how do I get to Kourna????

Where are you? RT | Talk 12:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Complete Consulate Docks. Biscuits 13:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

zephyr hedger

I'm on the Koss's Elixir quest in nightfall. I'm supposed to be slaying this thing called a Zephyr Hedger.. problem is, it's ridiculously powerful. It spams Lightning Strike and Lightning Bolt and Lightning Surge, which somehow do over 150 damage per hit (not including the extra "moving" damage from Bolt). How is this even possible?! My level 17 heroes get killed in 1 hit (60% death penalty from trying to kill off its minions under 2-hit-kill fire from the boss), so it's impossible to kill. What am I supposed to do? And how on earth are those skills dealing out so much damage? --76.106.15.180 17:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Use protection skills such as Protective Spirit and Spirit Bond. Disrupting the enemy's skills also works, with skills like Distracting Shot and effects like Daze. -- Brains12 • Talk • 17:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

But how are his attacks even doing so much damage? Does he have over 20 air magic or something? --76.106.15.180 17:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not rare for attacks to deal that much damage - it can be a result of low armour, low level, high attribute (which a boss most likely has) or armor penetration. -- Brains12 • Talk • 17:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

But doesn't armor take damage off the base damage of the attack? As in, the only way Lightning Strike will actually do 65 damage (20 air magic) is if the target has 0 armor or the attack has 100% armor penetration? Anyway, thanks for answering so quickly --76.106.15.180 18:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the damage listed in skill descriptions assumes 60AL (except for armor-ignoring skills and damage, obviously). Biscuits 18:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention, bosses (and some boss-like foes) deal extra damage with some skills. Protective Spirit is a must-have for guys like that generally, Heros use it wonderfully as well. And yes, all damage levels out at 60 armor; While Invoke Lightning does it's listed damage against a foe with 60AL, I've done tests involving 0AL, some skills to reach -40AL, and landed hits with the same skill for about 700+ damage. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 20:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Brains, odds are he doesn't have Spirit Bond as it's a Factions skill and he's in Nightfall at lvl17. — ク Eloc 貢 22:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

changing 2nd prof

how do u become a warrior/elemantist i am currently a warrior/monk and want to become a warrior elementist plz help.

Search / investigating is your friend. See Professions#Changing_secondary_professions. Biscuits 20:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

guild hall question

user: w/r 20 designed for you (guild leader) my question to guild wars is this if i create a new character will they be able to go straight to my hall or will they have to work there way there if there is a way please let me know by responding or catching me on the game thank you bj --74.222.107.197 23:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

If your character is in Pre-Searing, it's not able to visit the Guild Hall just yet. You'll have to leave it first. - Yumiya 23:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

in the other campaigns, your character is able to visit your hall from their very creation (after the first tut, of course). - Y0_ich_halt 23:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

What exactly is this area?

Hello, using texmod I revealed an area in the map that many other people have seen, yet no one is able to explain what it is. Does anyone know what exactly is the following area?

Image:Strange_area.jpg

Deathwing Commander 00:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The never-used Ahmtur Arena. Calor (t) 00:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ahmtur_Arena

Thank you. So it won't be ever made public? What a pitty. :(

Deathwing Commander 00:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Travelling in Explorable Areas

Can you travel to a spot in an explorable area that you have been in the past?. Is threr a way to mark the map in an explorable area so I can go there agian?.

There is no way to do this, and the game has been designed around this idea. Some skills may be a little useful, like Recall, but the functionality is limited. If you leave any explorable area, you will always need to re-fight/run your way back to your desired location. Biscuits 00:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

saving the reindeer

i just got done completing this quest and went to find grandfather kringle and he is there anymore? what to do to get my rewards?

wintersday just ended wait till next year to get your reward.--話す priestess donut 寄付02:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

..except that if it's like last year, the quest will mysteriously disappear from your log sometime in the middle of the year (happened to me last time :() Cassie 16:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Signet of Capture

Where do you obtain the Signet of Capture?66.53.232.29 09:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Signet of Capture should help you out. Lord of all tyria 10:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) See Signet of Capture. Biscuits 10:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

banned

← moved to Help:Ask an account question

do you need arrows for bows--86.3.7.78 21:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

do you need arrows for bows if so where can i get them--86.3.7.78 21:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No, you don't. --Doll 21:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Demons

Are the demons in Guild Wars from Christian religon or are they monsters that were made up by the creators of Guild Wars? Also is Guild Wars apropriate for an 11 year old to play? I am a christian so I am picky when demons are in the game.

Some have some trivia meaning to them, but mainly made up by the designers. For example, Abbadon as a Hebrew word translates to doom/hell. Also, anyone under 13 is not allowed to play the game. Read the back of the Guild Wars box. — ク Eloc 貢 23:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

That said, we are not ArenaNet, so we can't tell you aren't allowed to play. I'm sure if you are willing for eleven year olds to play, that is entirely your decision.

As Eloc said, the demons of the world of Guild Wars have some background to them which may have been inspired by ancient lore or religion. Some names were certainly inspired by names from religions or other cultural heritages. Abaddon is an example of that - in-game, Abaddon is, loosely put, a big bad person who wants the land to fall into "night".

With your religious concerns, there is not much that will, or should, insult or harm an eleven year old's knowledge of Christianity. It is, after all, a game rated T for Teen. However, the Guild Wars community can often be a bad one. While there is an in-game filter to censor any "bad language", that option can easily be overrided in the options menu. It is up to the person playing to decide whether or not they want to see the language. While many of the community are willing to help players or give them a few tips, there are a few exceptions.

The game itself is a good one a lot of fun, and there is nothing in the content that should harm an eleven year old. -- Brains12 • Talk • 00:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Lightbriger points not going up (in Titles window) when it seems like they should (i.e. when I kill elementals)

I have done massive searches on the Wiki. I want to bring up my Lightbringer points. I can still do this in human form (post Wurm ride) in the Mirror of Lyss area where there is ONE of the FEW remaining Master of Whispers sentries. (Everywhere else my game rank is too high.) When I farm there I can watch my LB points go up in my title window as I kill Djinns and the lion creatures. (Sorry don't have time to look up the proper nomenclature). The problem. Even in the sulfurous wastes and EVEN with a ghostly spirit that promises me a "bounty" on LB type creatures the numbers in my LB title window do NOT go up like they do when I am playing as a human. (I have been through the vortex and can now see how a high LB title would be very helpful.) Is this normal behavior for the game? I have never gotten out of one of these areas and seen a jump in points. You'd think killing elementals would be.... well. elementary and add to the LB title but it doesn't. The Wurms are so much more powerful, quick and profitable. Doing it the manual way in human form (the only way that seems to work after my first Wurm ride, could take weeks of solid and dull "play" just to reach the L5. I can't imagine how long it would take to get to level 8, months if I did nothing else. to get to level 8. If anyone can shed some light on this, is it a problem or is this just the way the game is designed? (Gosh, I really hope it is not the latter of the two.) If you've had this problem please write. Thescottguy 01:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)thescottguy p.s. Thank you for any time you spent in answering this problem!

You need to do it in Hard Mode, probably. Calor (t) 01:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey there. I'm not sure how this whole thing works, having never answered a question here before, but I know there is a point (although I can't give you a level...my apologies) at which the bounty no longer allows you points in Normal Mode. To progress further into the title, you must 'farm' these points in Hard Mode. I myself have maxed out the Lightbringer title, and it doesn't take too long when you run certain routes. Happy hunting! I notice someone else beat me to replying xD - Yellow Monkey 01:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I got up to 30k in the sulfurous wastes with a few quests active and then one of my buddies wanted me to farm DoA gems with him. I went from 30k-65k in no time at all (mostly Foundry with a smiter, 105 monk and a famine ranger (me). Both activities were in hard mode. -elviondale (tahlk) 01:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

hall of heros

How do I get to the hall of heros in pvp ---76.0.145.174 03:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

See Hall of Heroes and Heroes' Ascent for details, as I'm not quite sure and it's likely to be there. Calor (t) 03:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Win 5 times in Random Arenas and 5 times in Team Arenas. — ク Eloc 貢 06:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

That's five consecutive in Random Arenas, I think. But that just gets you to Hero's Ascent, not to the Hall of Heros itself, which is a part of Hero's Ascent. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 21:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Lions Arch

where is lions arch i can not find it

Guild Wars Prophacies, over shiverpeaks. RT | Talk 15:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:TyriaMap2.jpg shows all of the cities in Prophecies-part of Tyria. — Galil 15:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

See also List_of_Prophecies_missions. You will get there after you finish Gates of Kryta. Or, if you are from another campaign, see Tyria#Getting_There. Biscuits 16:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

ScreenShots

→ moved from Help:Ask a wiki question

I already know how to take screenshots, but I don't know how to access the pictures I have already taken. How do you find the screenshots and can you delete the ones you have already taken?--208.69.214.97 16:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

For Windows XP it is - My computer > C drive > Program Files > Guild Wars > Screenshots. I'm not totally sure about Vista, so someone else will have to explain that for you. And yes, you are browse through those images and delete any you want. Also, when you take a screenshot in-game, it shows the destination that it is saved in, so you can just follow that. -- Brains12 • Talk • 16:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

For Vista, it's C drive > Users > YourUserName > Documents > Guild Wars > Screens. - anja 16:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Also worth noting, when you take the screenshot in-game, it should tell you where it's saved in the chat log. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 21:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yea, da Brain mentioned it ;) I think I'll add more to this by saying: see Screenshot :) -- ab.er.rant 09:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanx alot. I have XP and it worked just fine...

level

whats the max level of the guild wars? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:89.155.1.134 (talk).

Max level characters in Guild Wars can achieve is 20. --Doll 22:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Some end-game monsters exceed level 30, however. Calor (t) 22:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

And in Hard Mode, thats even increased. I think the highest I've seen is 32 -elviondale (tahlk) 01:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to expand on this. Unlike other more traditional MMORPGs where they use character level to determine character strength, Guild Wars does not go down that path. Level is not as important as your skill set. A GW character is allowed to bring 8 skills from among over a thousand available skills into whatever you're attempting to do, be it missions, quests, or just heading out into explorable areas for a run. Your skill set and your personal experience with your the skills you bring and your character is what determines how good you are, not many levels you've managed to grind. -- ab.er.rant 05:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

You can reach level 20 fairly quickly, but getting your hands on an effective and powerful set of skills generally takes longer; it ends up coming down to player skill rather then dedication, in the long run. Experience over EXP, to put it simply. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 08:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Nightfall bonus music keys

Hello. I purchased the Nightfall expansion Collector's Edition awhile ago (well, a very long while ago). I lose the paper it comes on often, but when I manage to find it again I always try to find the answer to my question, with no avail. Anyway, my question is: How in the name of Hades and Hellfire do I use the bonus music keys for Nightfall CE? I try to add the key onto my account in the Add Access Key section of the game, but the key isn't long enough to be valid. Any help on this would be much appreciated, as it periodically drives me nuts. Thank you for your time.--74.237.87.124 23:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Not 100% sure, but if it's the same as the Prophecies SE bonus music, you will need to log on to Direct Song to get your music. --Snograt 23:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This link, specifically. — kyrasantae 23:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

heroes ascent

I am currently trying to reach hero battles thru zaishen challenge. I beat the scenario I pick and it says consecutive win(s)1. Then I pick a new battle and beat it. Afterwards it says consecutive win(s)1. I do this more than five times and it always says the same thing. What am I doing wrong?

Sounds as if are still in the zashien challenge mission and not the elite zaishen challenge. In the "normal" challenge mission you can not win consecutive matches...but you do need to beat each team atleast once inorder to gain access to the zaishen elite. Then once you are there you can start a consectutive string of victories...although i am not sure that you can unlock hero's battle from there...Coridan 02:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

You only need to beat five of the six teams in Zaishen Challenge to get to Zaishen Elite.

That's not how you unlock Hero Battles, though. Hero Battles is automatically available once you have at least three (3) Heros unlocked on a character.

...to note further, Hero Battles is not a part of Heroes Ascent. If you're trying to get the that, You'll want to look at the article for Heroes Ascent itself. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 02:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Account Question

← moved to Help:Ask an account question

Choosing secondary profession

My character was created in Nightfall campaign, Dervish. I'm asked to choose a secondary profession at level 5 and after checking on this site I see that I can choose a secondary from any of the campaigns as long as that campaign is connected to my account. I have all of the campaigns and last expansion, Eye of the North.

My question is how do I choose Assassin as my secondary when the choice is not offered in game?

69.60.236.31 12:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe that you'll be able to change your secondary profession to Assassin once you have opened up your Command Post, since there will be a profession changer there that gives you the option of Assassin as your secondary.. But choosing Assassin as your first secondary class is impossible I think.. Tribio talk 12:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Only characters in Factions can choose Ritualist or Assassin as a primary or secondary profession at the start; same goes for Dervish and Paragon in Nightfall. Once you get far enough in the game though (for you in Nightfall, when you finish the quest Hunted!), you'll be able to change your secondary profession; you're allowed to choose anything at that point, regardless of campaign. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 13:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

After you did the quest Hunted!, use the boat to travel to the Great Temple of Balthazar. There you will find a profession changer who can give you the assassin secondairy. You can't pick the assassin secondairy right away as a nightfall character. Morgoth Bauglyr 14:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Across the Wall Quest/computer glitch

I had almost completed the quest when a computer glitch knocked me out of the game. When I reentered the game I was on the outside of the wall and my partner on the inside. How do I overcome this? --````

You've likely already answered your own question, but you just map travel back to town and team up with your friend again. Should only take a minute. --Mystisteel 19:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

bad manners

hello, i was just wondering if there was any way to report users that are taking advantage of others through scams.

/report (playername) or take screenshots and send to support RT | Talk 07:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

porphecise and factions

is it possible for a prophecise character to do factions mission i mean i did the first two wiht my proph char and then when i run to the next the gates are closed how do i open them?

You can't run in Factions. You have to do the missions and primary quests in order. See List of Factions missions to find out what you're missing. Biscuits 23:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

chaos axe

where can i find a chaos axe?Rbueno 01:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Fissure of Woe or the Zaishen Chest --Snograt 01:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Try typing "chaos axe" into the search box and pressing "enter". -- ab.er.rant 02:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

how many enemies have i killed

someone told me what emote to type to find out how many kills a character had. i have searched wiki and can not find it. unfortunately i cant remember it either. typing death just gives me how many times i have died. doesnt answer my question. any ideas??? thank you

/Deaths is the only emote of that kind, unfortunately. There's no way to check kills or anything else of the sort in-game. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 08:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

How do I get my Death Magic above 16 if I already used superior rune of Death Magic?

Death Magic

How do i get my death magic above 16 if i already used superior runes on my armor?167.93.38.247 13:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)charlie

Temporary buffs from Voice of Grenth or consumables like Candy Corn. - HeWhoIsPale 13:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

this goes with this question above

so is there a way to get it permently done to your character

No. Vanguard13:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

An attribute's permanent maximum value is 16. 139.14.30.25 13:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Infusion

Yes My question is this. I have noticed in your wiki that you have help relateing to re-taking quests in Eye Of The North. But none for the regular GuildWars game. I have searched your WIKI up and down and can't find any way to get an answer for the following problem, which is=====>I can't get my armor infused because the game won't give me the quest to do. Eighter I was already in the outpost and turned it down or it never gave it to me. But I see no where it is listed on your WIKI. I can't finish some of my quests because I keep dieing to fast, because of this armor thing. How can I re-take this quest or mission what ever it is. Can you help PLEASE!!!!

If you have the answer send it here please. <se-mail removed> Thanks

See, infusion. Its not a quest but the mission Iron Mines of Moladune ~ SCobra 14:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

i removed your e-mail address to avoid spam stuff in your mailbox. - Y0_ich_halt 14:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

On a side note, you can find the Seer in any of the missions on the ring of fire along with an Eidolon to infuse your armor. Morgoth Bauglyr 14:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Killing two birds with one stone

Well, I have two questions that I've always wondered about, but that aren't of grave importance. Just something I always wondered.

1) Why do ranger spirits always face East, no matter what direction you yourself are facing when you drop the spirit?

2) Who in the name of Hades is Rodgort (of Rodgort's Invocation and Mark of Rodgort fame)?

Thanks in advance. --74.237.87.124 20:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

See Rodgort's Invocation and spiritRT | Talk 20:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[1] is better RT | Talk 20:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The spirit article really doesn't answer that question. - HeWhoIsPale 20:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

i suppose it's because the devs were too lazy to make the graphic face somewhere else. - Y0_ich_halt 20:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is a common fact that programmers are lazy. — Galil 21:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The spirit thing is easy: There muslims ~ SCobra 21:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

*They're. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lord of all tyria (talk • contribs) 21:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC).

If that's the case, my ranger's spirits don't know the direction of Mecca, or they wouldn't be facing east. :P — Galil 21:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) I'm pretty sure that Muslims east of Mecca don't face east. -- Brains12 • Talk • 21:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the whole facing-East thing is tied in with the nature aspect in the first place; often, cultures have names for the different winds, be it the East Wind, North Wind, and so on. East wind for example shows a few examples.

They could have also rolled a dice to decide on the direction, who knows. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 00:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Insignia Stacking

Here's an example: Undertaker's Insignia Health Below 80% Armor +5 Health Below 60% Armor +5 Health Below 40% Armor +5 Health Below 20% Armor +5

If you have this insignia on 2 pieces of armor, for example, would that effectively double?

--Norleas Scourge

No, armor bonuses on insignia only affect specific hit locations. -- Gordon Ecker 01:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Which is why the Radiant and Survivor insignia, for example, give better stats on Chest and Leg pieces; because you have more chance of being hit there and are giving up the extra armor you could have put there instead (with Brawler's, say). Biscuits 09:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Abandon quests

If I have the choice between two quests and accidently select one for a hero I do not want, is it possible to abandon the quest in an outpost and go back to where the choice of quests originated for the heroes?--72.23.148.214 02:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, as long as it's the first quest. -- Gordon Ecker 02:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Yes, in the case of Jin / Sousuke, abandoning one quest should let you go back and pick the other. For Goren / Norgu, it should work the same. At no point should abandoning a quest make it impossible to finish it, so worse case scenario, you'll just have to get the same quest again (if it won't let you pick the other hero). -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 02:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I was wrong. For Goren and Norgu, you can go back as long as you haven't finished Brains or Brawn. For Margrid the Sly and Master of Whispers, you can go back as long as you haven't finished For a Price or Secrets in the Shadow. For Jin and Sousuke, you can go back as long as you haven't accepted the reward for the second quest (Student Jin or Student Sousuke). -- Gordon Ecker 02:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

moa eggs

i found a moa egg close to ascalon city and i dont knw how to hatch it can you help me --68.229.169.94 05:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

You'll find your answer here. Nbajammer 05:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed that is an increasing tendency on this wiki. It's better practice to link to Black Moa Chick, than to link to here. ;-) Biscuits 09:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I sense a new policy: "Don't Link To "Here"" --Snograt 14:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Saying "You'll find your answer Black Moa Chick" doesn't make sense. Nbajammer 05:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Monthly?

hi I'm interested on buying GW,so do i have to pay every moth to play GW? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Brunoman5 (talk).

No. You pay for the CD's and then it's just free. Vanguard12:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you don't pay for the CDs, you pay for the access keys, which you can buy online or get in the retail sets. You can download the client online for free, or install it from the discs you get in the retail version. Once you activate an account with one or more access keys, it's free forever. :) Biscuits 13:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the GWW:FAQ helps. -- ab.er.rant 13:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Kneel

how do you kneel?

by entering /kneel into the chat Morgoth Bauglyr 19:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

You could have also found the answer by typing 'kneel' into the search box. Biscuits 19:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

how can players stop people from saying about gold websites and people buying Guild Wars Accounts?

I have seen many people wanting to buy Guild Wars Accounts and say to them thah it is illeagal but don't take any notice and carry on. The same goes with the people who spam about Gold/powerleveling websites eg www.gamemotive.com. So how can us players stop them?

/report [player name] - HeWhoIsPale 18:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't work any more. You need to submit a violation report. See here for where to report it. — Ebañy Salmonderiel 18:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It does work. Also, as two posts above, try to link to support, rather than here, as it's much more obvious where people are going then. Biscuits 19:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

As HeWhoIsPale already said, /report [player name] and report them for botting as the reason is they don't take notice is they are most likely botting. If you really don't want to see those messages anymore, add them to your ignore list. — ク Eloc 貢 01:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

You'll often notice those spammers in the same towns, always standing in the same spots, even when they change characters; that's a good indication that the character is a 'bot, and automated to run to a certain spot and spam. If you're not sure if someone's a bot, little details like that often tip them off (also, PMing them and getting no responses is another tip off). :P -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 06:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I want to play already!

I recently bought Nightfall and tried to download it right away. I successfully downloaded the first cd and moved on to installing the second. However, after inserting the second cd and pressing ok, nothing happens. The mouse cursor changes to an hourglass, but no actual "downloading" occurs. I've tried downloading it multiple times, but I get the same results. Can you please help me?

Brandon --76.122.140.43 02:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

You don't need to download/install anything if you've done it once. Just open GW and play. If you don't have GW, go to guildwars.com, download the client, and go play from there. Mango 05:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

He's saying that he's having problems installing the second CD. To Brandon, have you tried unintalling/removing and trying again? Have you tried firing up the game? As Mango says, you don't actually have to install from the CD. You can try downloading the game client from the official website and using that to install and download the game files. -- ab.er.rant 05:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Download this installer from their official page and install with that. It will automatically download all the files needed, as you need them. — Galil 05:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

With downloading it appears he means installing. I dont see him talk about any downloading from website. Some people consider copying information from cd to hd as downloading to hd. He's talking that he bought NF and wants to play it but it wont install for him, somewhere it hangs or stall. Downloading the online client and going from there may be an option, but I suggest going to the official support or help pages for help. link: http://www.guildwars.com/support/default.php -- File:User Clantron sig.gif Clantron 09:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

best place to farm for gold?

hey im a lv20 w/n and was wondering wats the best place to farm for gold?

if u can help ty --71.58.225.2 02:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Any high level area. Guild Wars Guru is a better place for info related to farming than the wiki is. Calor (t) 02:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

PvXWiki has lists for both great farming builds and good farming builds. Try there. :) — Galil 05:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hero Unlocking Via Balthazar Faction

If you unlock a hero on a character, is it only available to that specific character you unlocked it with? (Ex. I unlocked Melloni with a PvP character on accident. I also recieve Alocate Jin with this PvP character. Can I only use those heroes in PvP now?) -- 24.74.182.129 06:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

When unlocking heroes/runes/weapon mods/etc they only become available to any PvP characters you create. To be able to play with them in PvE you will have to get them with the respective chars, since heroes is a per-char thing. Unlocking them in PvP won't prevent you from getting them in PvE though. You just wouldn't get them automagically. — Galil 06:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Nightfall and Factions

the GW nightfall and factions are expancions? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Brunoman5 .

No, they're standalone campaigns, not expansions. Also see GWW:FAQ. -- ab.er.rant 13:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

nightfall switch to other games

Hello, i am wondering about the game nightfall you see my friend said that in nightfall i can switch games i was wondering if that was true.

switch games... was your friend talking about the connection from The Desolation to Crystal Desert in Tyria? - Y0_ich_halt 15:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

If your friend was telling you that you could move from one game to the other at will, then yes he was right. You can freely move your characters between all campaigns/expansions you own at will. — Galil 15:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

i suppose since he said "in nightfall i can switch games", he meant the deser stuff ^^ - Y0_ich_halt 16:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I think I'm tired of ppl not learning how to write a decent question.reanor 17:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

When you allow a general population to ask questions, it's what happens. I think the number of people asking questions where the answers are easily available on this wiki is due to the prominent links on the main page. People find it more intuitive to just ask for what they're looking for, rather than try to find it for themselves on a new website. Biscuits 18:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Because the big man knows it's easier to type two hundred characters than it is to type twenty. Calor (t) 20:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Wrong e-mail address

← moved to Help:Ask an account question

ELITE SKILLS

Hey I now I have to have that skill signe capture for getin elite skill but my question is where to to finde boss(ranger or ritulast).I em ranged and I cant find boss how is ranged or boss ho is ritualist so plz help me. I got Nightfall and Faction --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:XemnasX .

There's a complete list of elite skill capture locations at list of elite skills by capture location. -- Gordon Ecker 10:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Ranger bosses are light green, and Ritulist bosses are light blue RT | Talk 11:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Guild name

→ moved from HELP:WIKI

i dont like my guild name anymore is there a way to change it?im the leaderof the guild --65.33.50.146 14:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

No, unfortunately it's not possible to change a guild name. The only way would be to buy a new guild, but that'll mean leaving/disbanding your current guild. More information can be found at Guild. -- Brains12 • Talk • 14:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Where has my present gone?

Hi,

I had a green elf as a present. I opened it in one of the towns to view it but now I can't find it?

I think I may accidently sold it to a trader or merchant?

Can I have another one please.

If you sold it, you don't get a new one. Lord of all tyria 16:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

you can't sell a mini pet check your storage and other characters you might of put it on another character.話す priestess donut 寄付16:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

just clearfying, we are not arenanet, we can't give you ingame item via account edit. --Sumta 08:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

ranger

Can rangers be stronger then warriors ????

yes, definetely. but warriors can just as well be stronger than rangers. - Y0_ich_halt 16:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

All classes have thier strengths and weakness..it truely depends on the skills the player picks and the way he/she uses them. I suggest picking something that you like to play..as they can all be great!Coridan 00:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

All classes are equal, except for Mesmer which were designed to be able to beat anything. — ク Eloc 貢 01:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

For the original question, a bit more detail; Warriors can generally kill faster then Rangers, in pure strength; but that's where the Ranger's advantages come into play. The Ranger can kill a foe from such a distance as to make fighting back tough; Ranger's interruption skills, such as Distracting Shot, can disrupt spellcasters and even shut down a foe's healing skills if used correctly; and in a Warrior vs. Ranger matchup, the Ranger can take advantage of his range against the Warrior's need for melee distance, and basically run circles around his foe. That's not to say Warriors don't have strengths too, the Warrior will probably last very long against the Ranger.

And just to note on Eloc's note, Mesmers are designed to shut down other players in all sorts of ways; while they can "beat" just about everything, actually killing them is a completely different story. Mesmer relies on outsmarting your foe, and not getting stuck in a fight you can't win; the Mesmer's lack of healing and defense makes it very hard to survive in a lot of situations. I believe Eloc's statement was made mainly in jest as well. :D -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 08:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

what r elite tomes and caps?

what r elite tomes and/or caps?

For elite tomes, see Tome. Caps can either refer to Signet of Capture, or Capture Point. Biscuits 02:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

"Cap" can also refer to the action of "Capturing" a skill with a Signet of Capture, or if it's in another context, such as "go cap that shrine", it means to "capture" or control the shrine. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 08:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I think Biscuits already said that. — ク Eloc 貢 08:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Biscuits mentioned Caps referring to Signet of Capture, I merely expanded on that to explain that the act of using a Signet of Capture is what the term usually means too. Two correct answers never hurt; the question is a wide one as well, so covering all the bases is always good. :D -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 08:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, caps can be WHEN YOU SHOUT IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS AND ANNOY YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS / WIKI USERS. :) Biscuits 14:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

See Erf Shakuur's talk for more on CapsSpeak and how it annoys people. It's very annoying. Calor (t) 19:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Superior Identification Kit & Superior Salvage Kit

How are the Superior kits compare to the Expert Salvage Kit and regular ID Kit. For Superior ID kit, do they ID with better random stats for an unidentified item than using regular ID Kit? For Superior Salvage Kit, do they have a higher chance to salvage for rare crafting materials than a Expert Salvage Kit? Thanks. --Azn Hikaru 15:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

No, but they have more uses, freeing up inventory spaces RT | Talk 15:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

new 2 gw

what r kournan coins used 4?

See Kournan Coin -- Brains12 • Talk • 16:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

guild

I made a guild, have a hall, how do i make an alliance w/ the kurzic or luxon? what if any reqirements are needed? what paths do i take?

To choose your alliance, travel to House zu Heltzer or Cavalon and pay the respective ambassador 500g. Search hint - try Alliance :) --Snograt 21:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

outpost directions

how do i get to maatu?

Seeing as Maatu Keep is in Cantha, and Cantha is un-runnable, you'll have to play through the storyline until you get there. Look at this map to see where it is. — Galil 18:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Two clients running on one PC

How can i open up two different guild wars accounts at once, on the same computer?

This is a bit of a grey area as running 2 instances of GW at the same times need various tinkering that might constitute a breach of the EULA. There are certain programs available that could possibly be called GWx2 or somesuch, but as that would obviously be a third-party program you would need to think before using it. --Snograt 20:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[2] — ク Eloc 貢 21:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

changing proffessions

i keep trying 2 change my proffession but it keeps saying "need 2 b closer 2 stars" wut do i have 2 do?

you need to do this quest and the following mission (and any other missions and quests before that which you don't have yet). Morgoth Bauglyr 21:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) ::You are considered "Closer to the Stars" on completion of the Nahpui Quarter mission, I believe. --Snograt 21:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

pets

→ moved from Help:WIKI

how do you get pets --86.164.167.78 18:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

You need to have the Ranger skill Charm Animal equipped, than find a tamable animal in an explorable area, and cast Charm Animal on it. Calor (t) 18:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

--> Pets <--. A little searching goes a long way -- Brains12 • Talk • 19:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

getting from seitung harbor to kaineng center

i love gw so much but at times can be frustrating. i am an ele/ranger lvl15 at seitung harbor. i have done all quest i can find. cannot find any more and cannot go to kaieng center. talked to first mate xiang. but plague is the problem. unable to find anymore quest givers. been all over the island. i have 2 characters stuck here. any ideas pls thank you.

Check what you've done against list of Factions missions which gives all missions and necessary quests. --Snograt 20:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you completed the two missions on Shing Jea Island? Calor (t) 20:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

glacial blade

i have not got the guild wars pe relese bonus pack and i want to get the glacial blade plz tell me how (any possibilaty) plz answer soon

If you didn't get the pre-order pack you're out of luck. The Glacial Blade are customized to their creators and can't be used by anyone else. - HeWhoIsPale 21:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

cfan you not buy a pre ordered pack off someone who hasent opened it?

You may be able too, but you run the risk that they reseeled it, ArenaNet does not support this. We are not arenanet, we won't tell you what to do, but I wouldn't trust anyone! RT | Talk 21:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

equiping elite skills

whenever i try 2 equip a elite skill it takes another one off how do i keep both on?

You can only have one elite skill on your skill bar at a time. Calor (t) 22:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

W/E Build

When I first started guild wars i didnt know what the outcome would be so i started a W/E build and now that im in the crystal desert and have a ton of spells unlocked but cant use the powerful ones because i only have 20 enery i was wondering did i screw up making a W/E build?